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DCD_Guy Rookie Author San Francisco Posts:68 Points:43,075 Joined:Jan 2012	Message Posted: Mar 2, 2012 2:30:42 AM Ignore DCD_Guy Report Abuse This web-site is a good place to shop cheaper gasoline around the town, but it could only make your fuel price 1% to 4% cheaper. If you install some effective aftermarket fuel saving device, the savings could reach 6% to 15%. Which way would you prefer? The good thing is, you may choose both way at the same time, as they will not conflict each other. [Edited by: DCD_Guy at 3/2/2012 2:31:55 AM EST]

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This web-site is a good place to shop cheaper gasoline around the town, but
it could only make your fuel price 1% to 4% cheaper. If you install some
effective aftermarket fuel saving device, the savings could reach 6% to 15%.
Which way would you prefer? The good thing is, you may choose both way at
the same time, as they will not conflict each other.

[Edited by: DCD_Guy at 3/2/2012 2:31:55 AM EST]

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jonjon57 Champion Author Raleigh Posts:2,502 Points:653,535 Joined:May 2011	Message Posted: Mar 27, 2012 7:06:30 AM Ignore jonjon57 Report Abuse Yes
DCD_Guy Rookie Author San Francisco Posts:68 Points:43,075 Joined:Jan 2012	Message Posted: Mar 27, 2012 2:31:47 AM Ignore DCD_Guy Report Abuse gvan, just let you know that DCD TECHNOLOGY is only 3 years old, it has never joined those tests you mentioned and happened some 30 to 20 years ago. Currently 6% to 15% fuel savings is from road driving test through professional digital fuel consumption meter, or ABA test.
gvan Champion Author Chicago Posts:21,749 Points:2,863,015 Joined:Dec 2004	Message Posted: Mar 26, 2012 2:00:42 PM Ignore gvan Report Abuse "After its own tests on various gadgets, Consumer Reports issued a "don't waste your money" warning, echoed by the Federal Trade Commission and the Better Business Bureau. The Environmental Protection Agency has tested (but never endorsed) more than 100 such devices and found that none significantly improve mileage and some may damage your engine."
jamieg2012 Veteran Author Sioux Falls Posts:286 Points:11,385 Joined:Jan 2012	Message Posted: Mar 26, 2012 1:19:07 PM Ignore jamieg2012 Report Abuse all these fuel saving devices is nothing but scams try driving the speed limit and not racing across town and try keeping tires at the right pressure i see people complaining about how gas is expensive and wish their car was better on economy but these same people think half pressure in tires is fine and think speed limit is not fast enough and have to see how fast their car can go in town and change lanes every few seconds since other cars do not do the 100 miles per hour they want because they are in so much of a stupid hurry and even cut people off to take your lane and pass the next car
Banjoe Champion Author Winnipeg Posts:4,454 Points:640,620 Joined:Apr 2011	Message Posted: Mar 26, 2012 9:01:32 AM Ignore Banjoe Report Abuse jimmy544 has nailed my approach. Keeping an eye on mileage feedback keeps me under control. It would be much more effective if the readout could be changed from miles per gallon to $ per mile as that's the hurting part.
CaptDave2012 All-Star Author Arkansas Posts:695 Points:24,735 Joined:Feb 2012	Message Posted: Mar 25, 2012 11:24:25 PM Ignore CaptDave2012 Report Abuse If they made one that REALLY worked I would try it.
bicycler Champion Author Ontario Posts:14,815 Points:2,598,445 Joined:May 2005	Message Posted: Mar 24, 2012 11:35:59 AM Ignore bicycler Report Abuse I am useing my bicycle more
10261970 All-Star Author Sacramento Posts:977 Points:265,145 Joined:Oct 2011	Message Posted: Mar 24, 2012 11:01:49 AM Ignore 10261970 Report Abuse No.
PaylessKY Champion Author Kentucky Posts:8,870 Points:1,608,175 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Mar 24, 2012 10:44:51 AM Ignore PaylessKY Report Abuse No, these devices are scams.
DCD_Guy Rookie Author San Francisco Posts:68 Points:43,075 Joined:Jan 2012	Message Posted: Mar 24, 2012 3:24:36 AM Ignore DCD_Guy Report Abuse DCD will alter driving style by reducing engine power, preventing un-intentional or un-necessary acceleration, forcing vehicle to keep cruising, thus saving more fuel than DCD itself. As a result, DCD will increase MPG by 20% from EPA standard, then 10% from 20% is due to forced driving style improving by DCD. [Edited by: DCD_Guy at 3/24/2012 3:25:30 AM EST]
jimmy544 Champion Author Boston Posts:4,373 Points:680,580 Joined:Feb 2011	Message Posted: Mar 21, 2012 1:22:58 PM Ignore jimmy544 Report Abuse Having instantaeous feed back on fuel consumption is the best way to alter driving style to gain fuel economy. Once you do this you will understand how to make the best mileage.
oilpan4 Champion Author Virginia Posts:12,136 Points:308,040 Joined:Jul 2006	Message Posted: Mar 19, 2012 7:08:18 PM Ignore oilpan4 Report Abuse Sounds like limp mode.
DCD_Guy Rookie Author San Francisco Posts:68 Points:43,075 Joined:Jan 2012	Message Posted: Mar 19, 2012 2:32:42 AM Ignore DCD_Guy Report Abuse "DCD's selective cylinder deactivation(SCD) option is sometimes standard equipment for newer V8/v6 engine based trucks/minvans/suvs." PLEASE don't mix up DCD and your "SCD", which sounds like tradition cylinder deactivation used by auto maker in many products for over 30 years. DCD works dynamically to disable every cylinders in a random pattern, with variable ratios, absolutely not the fixed 3/4 cylinders with fixed 50% deactivation ratio you have mentioned. DCD can only be implemented by modern electronic control, and can be used to retrofit most of gasoline engines.
oilpan4 Champion Author Virginia Posts:12,136 Points:308,040 Joined:Jul 2006	Message Posted: Mar 17, 2012 1:02:12 PM Ignore oilpan4 Report Abuse Don't waste time screwing around with a 400w block heater. Get at least a 1000w block heater. I use two 600w block heaters and I wish I would have gone with two 1000w units or at least one 600w and a 1000w.
drydem Sophomore Author Maryland Posts:135 Points:3,580 Joined:Oct 2011	Message Posted: Mar 17, 2012 6:48:45 AM Ignore drydem Report Abuse GrumpyCat of Alabama is describing a hypermiling technique called Driving with Load(DWL) which returns better fuel efficiency than cruise control(Cc). Using a 2010 Prius and DWL will get about 65mpg if you allow the speed to vary from 70mph to 55mph with the average speed of 60mph. Using a 2010 Prius with CC set to 60mph will return about 59 mpg. DCD's selective cylinder deactivation(SCD) option is sometimes standard equipment for newer V8/v6 engine based trucks/minvans/suvs (which by designed have more power than necessary) as way to save fuel at low speed (<25mph) in urban driving conditions. SCD uses 3/4 cylinders instead of all 6/8 cylinders to achieves higher fuel efficiency because the vehicle is accelerating slower, has a lower top speed, and is using less torque (less payload/towing). SCD is normally not used in lighter vehicles which normally are designed with power plants that have no or little reserve power to shave off. A SCD aftermarket option could be useful in increasing the urban driving fuel efficiency of a v8/v6 pickup truck that does not have built-in SCD technology. SCD mod to a I3/I4 otto cycle engine based compact car like the 2010 Ford Focus will deliever very little improvement to fuel efficiency. SCD mod would destablize a I4 Atkinson cycle engine like the 2010 Ford Fusion Hybrid probably cause fuel efficiency to drop like a rock. [Edited by: drydem at 3/17/2012 6:58:37 AM EST]
drydem Sophomore Author Maryland Posts:135 Points:3,580 Joined:Oct 2011	Message Posted: Mar 17, 2012 6:20:15 AM Ignore drydem Report Abuse I bought a ScangaugeII (street cost $160) and used it to learn how to hypermile on a 2010 Prius(EPA 50mpg combine). I was trying to hypermile the Prius before I bought the scangaugeII but I was only getting between 53mpg to 63mpg. The ScangaugeII has helped hone my hypermiling skills so now I'm getting between 58mpg to 70 mpg on the Prius. The drawback is that hypermiling trades time for fuel efficiency - so it takes significantly longer to get where you want to go. Overall, I've been able to get a 20% improvement over 20000 miles (EPA rating 50mpg increased to 60mpg using hypermiling)but I'm taking about 20% longer to get to my destination. Another fuel saving device I was thinking of installing was 400W engine block heater(EBH,$60+ installation) but it also requires I add an timer controlled external AC outlet to the house($$$). The other downsides to an EBH is that:(1) it uses electricity(400w to 800w/trip), (2)it requires a 45minute to 120 minute preheat time before each trip, (3) the EBH can only be used on outgoing trips from my home(where I have access to the electricity) and it would not work on the return trip home (where I donot have access to electricity), and (4) an EBH has a limited lifespan and only last from 3 to 5 years before they need to be replaced. An EBH preheats the coolant level and can reportedly push the Prius to 80mpg per trip. They are most useful in colder climates and not that useful in warmer more tropical climates. EBH initial setup cost is about $350(car installation) to $700(car installation/home modification). Enginer now makes several DIY to convert a 2010 Prius into a plug in. A Plug in Prius(PiP) gets about 75mpg to 150mpg depending on how you drive it. The downside to all this is that a pip conversion cost between ($4000 to $15000), a Pip requires a place to recharge the batteries to get to their rated MPG level, a Pip Li ion battery lifespan can be short (Hymotion Li-ion has an expected lifespan of 6 years), and each trip will need several kilowatt hours of electrical to recharge (1Kwh to 2kwh).
DCD_Guy Rookie Author San Francisco Posts:68 Points:43,075 Joined:Jan 2012	Message Posted: Mar 17, 2012 12:23:45 AM Ignore DCD_Guy Report Abuse "Thinking about it; somebody listed on they converted to a plug-in Ford HEV for $600 (after rebates, etc.)" But who has had a HEV for conversion into plug-in? HIGH upfront cost must be paid for a HEV, how cheap to run it? How long to be paid back? Longer than HEV's life? Instead, DCD will fit into most popular gasoline fueled vehicles, even HEV.
Jescareno22 Veteran Author Toms River Posts:303 Points:58,070 Joined:Mar 2012	Message Posted: Mar 16, 2012 5:48:57 PM Ignore Jescareno22 Report Abuse .
GBHUGVA Champion Author Virginia Beach Posts:4,697 Points:789,160 Joined:Mar 2009	Message Posted: Mar 16, 2012 3:46:39 PM Ignore GBHUGVA Report Abuse also: Enginer.US has a cheap soulution see Escape-city.com Heard the add-on works on Ford / Mercury / Mazda / Toyota
GBHUGVA Champion Author Virginia Beach Posts:4,697 Points:789,160 Joined:Mar 2009	Message Posted: Mar 16, 2012 3:46:05 PM Ignore GBHUGVA Report Abuse Thinking about it; somebody listed on Escape-city.com they converted to a plug-in Ford HEV for $600 (after rebates, etc.)
jimmy544 Champion Author Boston Posts:4,373 Points:680,580 Joined:Feb 2011	Message Posted: Mar 16, 2012 2:33:43 PM Ignore jimmy544 Report Abuse There are all kinds of techniques to save fuel. Some of the best don't require any expense at all. Driving techniques can save a ton. For some other ideas go to ecomodder.com Here you will find ideas from the very simple and cheap to very complex and expensive.
oilpan4 Champion Author Virginia Posts:12,136 Points:308,040 Joined:Jul 2006	Message Posted: Mar 16, 2012 11:44:59 AM Ignore oilpan4 Report Abuse I think I will keep doing my own fuel economy mods. Plus I am sure that "DCD" wouldn't work on my vehicles anyway. If I cant pick up 1mpg for less than $250 I am not interested.
WEDDY Champion Author Phoenix Posts:3,381 Points:1,064,245 Joined:Oct 2009	Message Posted: Mar 16, 2012 10:34:29 AM Ignore WEDDY Report Abuse Fuel saving devices up to this point are not the least bit effective.
kellyoneal Champion Author Louisville Posts:2,544 Points:731,090 Joined:Mar 2011	Message Posted: Mar 16, 2012 9:09:48 AM Ignore kellyoneal Report Abuse Too good to be true
DCD_Guy Rookie Author San Francisco Posts:68 Points:43,075 Joined:Jan 2012	Message Posted: Mar 15, 2012 11:37:51 PM Ignore DCD_Guy Report Abuse "Looks like they beat you to it." No! Something you have posted belongs to 30+ years old traditional cylinder deactivation, nothing new, just the VW product is new. How much would you expect to pay for such outdated technology? You must pay some $16,000, or $2000 to trade-in your used car to get it, not cheap. For each 4-cylinder DCD CONTROLLER KIT, it only cost you $500, and will be paid back sooner. Technically, it's 50% deactivation is the number that always trend to over- deactivation, making engine power too weak to do regular driving. So it has less chance to be turned on, not always useful. Does it deactivate 25%??? NO! But DCD can, so as to best match the engine power to the driving need, and can be turned on most of time for maximum fuel savings. Utilization is always a big issue for these energy saving devices. So you may conclude which one is better, and who will beat who??? If DCD could not beat such outdated technology, why spend big effort to develop it?
oilpan4 Champion Author Virginia Posts:12,136 Points:308,040 Joined:Jul 2006	Message Posted: Mar 13, 2012 11:30:19 AM Ignore oilpan4 Report Abuse Looks like they beat you to it. http://ecomodder.com/forum/showthread.php/vw-quantifies-mpg-gain-4-2-cylinder-deactivation-20943.html [Edited by: oilpan4 at 3/13/2012 11:30:58 AM EST]
DCD_Guy Rookie Author San Francisco Posts:68 Points:43,075 Joined:Jan 2012	Message Posted: Mar 12, 2012 3:22:11 AM Ignore DCD_Guy Report Abuse "Why don't you tell us in detail how it works?" DCD related technical article has been published online after winning the first prize in 2008 at Detroit. Please search online by key word "Dynamic Cylinder Deactivation", I'm sure you will find something to read. Also, DCD related patent file has been published by USPTO. Please search with the same key word.
oilpan4 Champion Author Virginia Posts:12,136 Points:308,040 Joined:Jul 2006	Message Posted: Mar 12, 2012 1:00:06 AM Ignore oilpan4 Report Abuse "That's the fuel saving secret of DCD". Why don't you tell us in detail how it works?
gougedQC Champion Author Montreal Posts:5,140 Points:69,985 Joined:Apr 2008	Message Posted: Mar 11, 2012 11:34:56 PM Ignore gougedQC Report Abuse DCD guy...just how deep into this "product" are you? I repeat, if this DCD thing actually worked, some OEM would have bought the technology and use it. If they havent, then it obviously doesnt do what you claim. They have billions of dollars at stake, and would never pass up a working technology. You sound very much like some of the guys on the ethanol forum, who claim miracles from ethanol and are so obviously either working for the ehtanol industry, or have personal financial investment. Best way to save gas? 1- boost your tire pressure at least 5psi above recommended. 2- change air filters regularly...and stick with stock so as not to mess up the computer readings 3- get tune ups occasionally 4-use synthetic oils like 5x30 5-use cruise control when on long relatively flat drives. 6- coast to stops 7 dont drag race from stops. -the belly pan mentioned earlier may have merit..if done correctly... check out cars like porsche and ferrari for example.
DCD_Guy Rookie Author San Francisco Posts:68 Points:43,075 Joined:Jan 2012	Message Posted: Mar 9, 2012 11:28:49 PM Ignore DCD_Guy Report Abuse "Cruise controls can produce repeatable MPG. Many drivers are so bad, and over control, that a CC is a win for them. If CC improves your MPG then you need to relearn how to drive. You need to learn to make fewer changes to the accelerator, brakes, and no doubt steering wheel." The statement is true that I agree "CC" is only an average fuel saver to ordinary vehicle without DCD. To drive over hills, human could be more smart to control, but needs skill with energy-wise mind. Yet when DCD is turned on, the driver need to push throttle harder to keep the speed and to compensate the power reduction. Throttle needs to follow the change of DCD level. In this case, "CC" could be very useful to work with DCD. So "CC" has some contribution, thus helps to the fuel savings from DCD. It's no doubt that wider throttle opening will make better fuel efficiency under the same load. That's the fuel saving secret of DCD.
GrumpyCat Champion Author Alabama Posts:2,752 Points:809,895 Joined:Jun 2009	Message Posted: Mar 9, 2012 2:41:38 PM Ignore GrumpyCat Report Abuse DCD_guy says: > "The best fuel saving device (maybe the ONLY one that actually WORKS) is modifying your right foot." > ---- Best trained foot is computer control from cruise control. So try to > use cruise control as much as you can. Anyone purporting to claim special knowledge as to how and when to disable selective cylinders who does not know that cruise controls DO NOT produce optimal MPG clearly does not know his stuff. Only conclusion is that the DCD controller is nothing but a CFD (Cash Flow Device) ripoff. Cruise controls can produce repeatable MPG. Many drivers are so bad, and over control, that a CC is a win for them. If CC improves your MPG then you need to relearn how to drive. You need to learn to make fewer changes to the accelerator, brakes, and no doubt steering wheel. A good driver can see much farther ahead than a CC and pre-compensate. There is no point in trying to hold 70 MPH up a hill and a CC doesn't know until it starts up the hill. A smart driver can roll down a hill at 75 MPH and hold that throttle up the next letting it slow to 65 and save a lot of fuel. Watch the trucks, thats what they do, and its WHY they do it.
oilpan4 Champion Author Virginia Posts:12,136 Points:308,040 Joined:Jul 2006	Message Posted: Mar 9, 2012 1:45:24 PM Ignore oilpan4 Report Abuse Aww don't report him. I'm trying to show his product doesn't work and he is an idiot at the same time. [Edited by: oilpan4 at 3/9/2012 1:46:19 PM EST]
maxstar Champion Author Chicago Posts:18,680 Points:837,245 Joined:Feb 2011	Message Posted: Mar 9, 2012 12:08:45 AM Ignore maxstar Report Abuse DCD_guy: advertising is not allowed in these forums. More evidence. Reported. [Edited by: maxstar at 3/9/2012 12:10:37 AM EST]
KansasGunman Champion Author Kansas City Posts:21,441 Points:2,104,540 Joined:Oct 2005	Message Posted: Mar 9, 2012 12:05:38 AM Ignore KansasGunman Report Abuse BS...reported
herbiepopnecker Champion Author British Columbia Posts:13,742 Points:2,534,030 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Mar 8, 2012 9:52:18 PM Ignore herbiepopnecker Report Abuse I use the powers of the ancient Pharaohs to get better mileage.
oilpan4 Champion Author Virginia Posts:12,136 Points:308,040 Joined:Jul 2006	Message Posted: Mar 8, 2012 10:46:43 AM Ignore oilpan4 Report Abuse I am going to go with "it don't work" until I see independent testing. Kind of like using water injection to boost fuel economy on turbodiesel engines, its been tested by the EPA, had numerous SAE papers written on the subject and was tested by dieselpower magazine. [Edited by: oilpan4 at 3/8/2012 10:50:08 AM EST]
DCD_Guy Rookie Author San Francisco Posts:68 Points:43,075 Joined:Jan 2012	Message Posted: Mar 8, 2012 2:44:03 AM Ignore DCD_Guy Report Abuse oilpan4, There's one latest aftermarket fuel saving device called "DCD Controller kit" really works, in spite of many others "wont work" as you have said.
oilpan4 Champion Author Virginia Posts:12,136 Points:308,040 Joined:Jul 2006	Message Posted: Mar 8, 2012 12:17:39 AM Ignore oilpan4 Report Abuse Yeah it wont work.
DCD_Guy Rookie Author San Francisco Posts:68 Points:43,075 Joined:Jan 2012	Message Posted: Mar 7, 2012 2:28:38 AM Ignore DCD_Guy Report Abuse Yes! GM has had some recent products with built in cylinder deactivation. But all of them belong to traditional cylinder deactivation with fixed pattern and fixed ratio of 50%. It's some kind of outdated skill that has very low utilization, must be turned off most of time, yielding no fuel saving gain most of time. DCD runs dynamically and flexibly with variable control ratio, solved these problems. Taking transmission as example, I think drivers prefer multiple gears than one fixed gear, right? and one fixed gear has no way to do the shift.
ricebike Champion Author New Jersey Posts:10,100 Points:1,869,875 Joined:Oct 2005	Message Posted: Mar 7, 2012 12:32:24 AM Ignore ricebike Report Abuse my mistake... yes i've seen them built-in on some GM models already the only cost effective way to put this into effect if it already came with the vehicle straight from the manufacturer adding it on as an aftermarket device to older vehicles will be a hit-or-miss [Edited by: ricebike at 3/7/2012 12:36:09 AM EST]
DCD_Guy Rookie Author San Francisco Posts:68 Points:43,075 Joined:Jan 2012	Message Posted: Mar 6, 2012 2:35:32 AM Ignore DCD_Guy Report Abuse ricebike, Just let you know that DCD is a pure technical / academic term. DCD simply means Dynamic Cylinder Deactivation. It is an energy related topic. If you really want to report, please report to US Department of Energy. Thanks! And US Patent Office already published DCD patent document. DCD related First Prize winning article could also be found online by googling the key word "Dynamic Cylinder Deactivation". There's nothing wrong to talk about DCD here, because DCD does save fuel. Can you offer anything or any skill that is better than DCD, and cheaper than DCD? I wonder? And DCD wonders? [Edited by: DCD_Guy at 3/6/2012 2:37:27 AM EST]
ricebike Champion Author New Jersey Posts:10,100 Points:1,869,875 Joined:Oct 2005	Message Posted: Mar 6, 2012 12:41:55 AM Ignore ricebike Report Abuse reb4, it's not an annoying poster, DCD is a SPAMMER please use the report link
DCD_Guy Rookie Author San Francisco Posts:68 Points:43,075 Joined:Jan 2012	Message Posted: Mar 5, 2012 11:46:08 PM Ignore DCD_Guy Report Abuse "You have to figure out a way to stop the intake and exhaust valves from operating like GM and dodge have done with their 8 cylinders that cut down to 4 cylinders under light load." ----- 40 years old skill since 1970s! In fact, cylinder deactivation don't have to follow the way you mentioned. As I have said, their way is in a dead zone for 30 years. Just look how many savings could they claim? and how many chance their deactivation is turned on? Very low! hard to claim the resulted saving. DCD could claim 5% to 15% fuel savings, and can be turned on most the time, yielding very high utilization. It always works, right after the installation, no matter one believes or not. DCD is a unique innovation that only the inventor could make it. Since most of people don't believe it, the only way to understand is to try it. Trying is believing. Or you may need to understand wide-band closed loop control to fuel system first.
f250jbh Sophomore Author California Posts:208 Points:191,150 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Mar 5, 2012 10:26:47 PM Ignore f250jbh Report Abuse Not a Gass saving gimic ... BUT i just removed the OLD Fan/thermal Clutch from my 1986 T-Bird V6 and installed an 2500cfm electric fan Kit ... 70.00 US Hope the Un Loading of the fan will pick up a few miles per gal. I have a full tank and only time will tell. Not Snake oil just a good try to improve mileage and power .... Noted some better responce on acceleration .....
Waterman66 Champion Author Colorado Posts:1,386 Points:500,495 Joined:Apr 2007	Message Posted: Mar 5, 2012 5:05:11 PM Ignore Waterman66 Report Abuse Snake oils.
oilpan4 Champion Author Virginia Posts:12,136 Points:308,040 Joined:Jul 2006	Message Posted: Mar 5, 2012 2:51:10 PM Ignore oilpan4 Report Abuse "There are no fuel saving devices and if they say they are then its a gimic" Thats not entirely true, there are few devices. The only plug and play device I know of that works are the tuners for turbo diesels. They disable or alter some of the noise reduction and emissions parameters for better MPGs. Then there is the scangaugeII for gasoline engines it doesn't change any engine parameters, it just shows you in real time how bad of a driver you are. You the driver make the changes mostly through your right foot.
hubie24 Veteran Author Michigan Posts:315 Points:204,380 Joined:Jul 2010	Message Posted: Mar 5, 2012 2:28:23 PM Ignore hubie24 Report Abuse There are no fuel saving devices and if they say they are then its a gimic
Edpap Champion Author Pennsylvania Posts:4,486 Points:530,650 Joined:Oct 2011	Message Posted: Mar 5, 2012 2:25:31 PM Ignore Edpap Report Abuse I'm not aware of any device that would save gas...What is available now are rip offs. Anyone developing a legitimate device that works would have millions of sales.
GBHUGVA Champion Author Virginia Beach Posts:4,697 Points:789,160 Joined:Mar 2009	Message Posted: Mar 5, 2012 1:45:40 PM Ignore GBHUGVA Report Abuse also: Enginer.US has a cheap soulution see Escape-city.com Heard the add-on works on Ford / Mercury / Mazda / Toyota
GBHUGVA Champion Author Virginia Beach Posts:4,697 Points:789,160 Joined:Mar 2009	Message Posted: Mar 5, 2012 1:42:14 PM Ignore GBHUGVA Report Abuse Thinking about it; somebody listed on Escape-city.com they converted to a plug-in Ford HEV for $600 (after rebates, etc.)