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MrCyclist Champion Author St. Louis Posts:2,546 Points:54,380 Joined:Aug 2005	Message Posted: Jan 22, 2006 5:18:36 PM Ignore MrCyclist Report Abuse I'm pretty sure it's safe to assume that nobody here likes paying too much for gasoline. Now, we've seen a number of posts around here centering on boycotting either one or all Oil Companies in an attempt to make them lower their prices (somehow). Certainly we can do better than that. How about we discuss some options that may actaully help the situation. Personally, I think we should be supporting alternative fuels and help them get onto the market. Such resources as Hydrogen, Ethanol, Biodiesel, solar energy and a large number of other renewable resources seem like an excellent alternative to Oil. If this past year has taught us anything, it's that we reley heavily on Oil and that it wouldn't hurt to have a backup. Your thoughts?

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I'm pretty sure it's safe to assume that nobody here likes paying too much for gasoline. Now, we've seen a number of posts around here centering on boycotting either one or all Oil Companies in an attempt to make them lower their prices (somehow). Certainly we can do better than that. How about we discuss some options that may actaully help the situation.

Personally, I think we should be supporting alternative fuels and help them get onto the market. Such resources as Hydrogen, Ethanol, Biodiesel, solar energy and a large number of other renewable resources seem like an excellent alternative to Oil. If this past year has taught us anything, it's that we reley heavily on Oil and that it wouldn't hurt to have a backup.

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GM Moderator	Message Posted: Dec 28, 2009 12:55:44 PM Ignore GM Report Abuse Please do not bump old, inactive topics. If a topic has been dead for two months or more, please do not post in it. Thank you for your cooperation.
MicktheGti Champion Author San Jose Posts:12,805 Points:2,923,665 Joined:Apr 2004	Message Posted: Dec 28, 2009 10:34:36 AM Ignore MicktheGti Report Abuse I don't know what the default is for locking old threads, but I have to assume there is a manual way to do it too.
catfish99 Champion Author Wilmington Posts:14,171 Points:2,524,225 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Dec 28, 2009 4:32:49 AM Ignore catfish99 Report Abuse Just curious, Mike...why would you report people posting in old topics in a shogun manner? I'm referring to the "over 20" comment. Does the bumping hurt you in some way? I do not see a lot of bumping in the real threads (this one is the first in ages in this forum), so I expect you reported people bumping in the who-cares sections like "just for fun". I mean really, why bother? I can see reporting someone spamming the more constructive sections by bumping 50 "lets boycott Exxon" topics, but does it really matter that someone posted in a "count by odd numbers" thread?
BCERB Champion Author Victoria Posts:2,297 Points:425,015 Joined:Jul 2009	Message Posted: Dec 27, 2009 10:16:23 PM Ignore BCERB Report Abuse Im sure after enjoying their lives during the holidays that the mods will be thrilled to come back & trash the usual pile up of inconsequential whiney complaints!
rumbleseat Champion Author Winnipeg Posts:23,067 Points:3,550,120 Joined:Oct 2002	Message Posted: Dec 27, 2009 8:56:19 AM Ignore rumbleseat Report Abuse Well, mike, it is up to the moderators, isn't it? But the one I referred to is not the only example, it just happens to be the one I was busted for. It is the weekend, the moderators are not working the forums right now, anyway, and over the holiday season are probably several hundred e-mails behind, with more coming in.
rumbleseat Champion Author Winnipeg Posts:23,067 Points:3,550,120 Joined:Oct 2002	Message Posted: Dec 27, 2009 3:23:40 AM Ignore rumbleseat Report Abuse mikerock, I have seen them lock many old topics when there is nothing new to add, and sometimes even when their is something new posted. Just attracting somebody back is considered bumping by the moderators. They say if you ask permission to revive an old topic, they consider not locking it. Maybe they changed that, I have no idea. This is an buddymail they sent me at the time they locked the topic. "Hello rumbleseat, Please do not bump old, inactive forum topics. If a topic has been dead for two months or more, please do not post in it. Thank you for your co-operation. Regards, CC GasBuddy Organization" The topic, in Boycott/Gasout Talk, was "What do you think about the Gas situation now". It "died" May 31, I posted Aug 26, just over 3 months later, it was locked and I received the e-mail. This topic died May 18, and OP came back Dec 25, just over 7 months later. Sure seems to me it meets the criteria for the golden padlock as laid out by the moderators.
MicktheGti Champion Author San Jose Posts:12,805 Points:2,923,665 Joined:Apr 2004	Message Posted: Dec 26, 2009 10:19:17 AM Ignore MicktheGti Report Abuse Merry Day after Christmas to all heathens in the crowd
rumbleseat Champion Author Winnipeg Posts:23,067 Points:3,550,120 Joined:Oct 2002	Message Posted: Dec 26, 2009 9:42:37 AM Ignore rumbleseat Report Abuse I speak of forum rules as interpreted by the moderators, and applied to many threads in various categories. This topic is dead. Your post hasn't revived it, merely bumped it. Check back Monday afternoon to see if I am correct.
MrCyclist Champion Author St. Louis Posts:2,546 Points:54,380 Joined:Aug 2005	Message Posted: Dec 26, 2009 2:59:47 AM Ignore MrCyclist Report Abuse Potentially. Nothing new since May apparently. Course, if we're using that logic, this entire forum is irrelevant.
rumbleseat Champion Author Winnipeg Posts:23,067 Points:3,550,120 Joined:Oct 2002	Message Posted: Dec 26, 2009 2:51:23 AM Ignore rumbleseat Report Abuse As Mario said, this wasn't around until you bumped it, without any new information to contribute to the thread, contrary to GB guidelines. Now you have probably ensured it gets locked.
MARIOWERX Champion Author Vancouver Posts:16,074 Points:1,667,460 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Dec 26, 2009 1:45:16 AM Ignore MARIOWERX Report Abuse It wasn't till you bumped it.
MrCyclist Champion Author St. Louis Posts:2,546 Points:54,380 Joined:Aug 2005	Message Posted: Dec 26, 2009 12:41:34 AM Ignore MrCyclist Report Abuse Wow, hard to believe I wrote this 4 years ago. I'm surprised to still see it around.
10k Champion Author North Carolina Posts:21,489 Points:2,281,720 Joined:May 2006	Message Posted: May 18, 2009 12:24:55 PM Ignore 10k Report Abuse boycott ethanol--how's that for a conversation starter ??
Snowlady Champion Author Syracuse Posts:6,942 Points:649,950 Joined:Sep 2004	Message Posted: Apr 29, 2009 9:14:04 AM Ignore Snowlady Report Abuse Hey, back, Melodic! LOL. I know, busy at the "JOB" makes for less time in here...esp. with dial-up at home. Have got to get my seeds ordered for planting...I'm going to use heirlooms this year, for the most part. Thanks Cuda, where-ever you are now...I think many of us miss you. How have things been on the home front, Melodic? Ever get that grass to grow? Feel free to e-mail me on the buddy list stuff.
MelodicMetalGod Champion Author Maryland Posts:5,072 Points:1,042,700 Joined:Mar 2005	Message Posted: Apr 17, 2009 11:31:08 AM Ignore MelodicMetalGod Report Abuse Hey there Snowlady! Haven't been very active out here, but then it seems none of us have. Hope all is well and getting better from there!
Snowlady Champion Author Syracuse Posts:6,942 Points:649,950 Joined:Sep 2004	Message Posted: Apr 15, 2009 8:55:48 AM Ignore Snowlady Report Abuse Supposedly, CSX trains are quite efficient, though I don't have the statistics in front of me. Wind towers are HOT right now, and I am all for them. We do need to keep the research going on alternative energies. Improvements are needed, especially to get away from environmental problems. In the meantime, DO what you CAN to reduce your energy useage! The long-timers on this thread have lots of information on doing that...or just search the web. Any step is a step forward.
MARIOWERX Champion Author Vancouver Posts:16,074 Points:1,667,460 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Apr 14, 2009 9:01:39 PM Ignore MARIOWERX Report Abuse sailing at 5 knots average is fast equates to 5.8 miles per hour. horses can run faster but tire quickly and need to be refueled. They may be able to run faster on crack???? [Edited by: MARIOWERX at 4/14/2009 9:02:13 PM EST]
MicktheGti Champion Author San Jose Posts:12,805 Points:2,923,665 Joined:Apr 2004	Message Posted: Apr 14, 2009 12:08:11 PM Ignore MicktheGti Report Abuse I think it's really cool that ginormous ships are using sails as auxiliary power. Could it be possible that we could use horses the same way on ginormous trains or trucks? Big Transport owns the right of way anyways, they never give a flying fig about the environment, so let's get crackin' on it people. No, not the crack you're thinking of you oil addicts! :)
MARIOWERX Champion Author Vancouver Posts:16,074 Points:1,667,460 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Apr 14, 2009 12:10:37 AM Ignore MARIOWERX Report Abuse How about idling thru the drive thru at Mickey-Dees or the local coffee/ donut shop. .
JeeperTX Champion Author Dallas Posts:7,343 Points:1,538,190 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Apr 11, 2009 9:22:13 AM Ignore JeeperTX Report Abuse Anyone take courses in economics?
theTower Champion Author Indiana Posts:13,359 Points:479,960 Joined:Jun 2007	Message Posted: Apr 7, 2009 12:46:23 PM Ignore theTower Report Abuse I don't see how any of my improvements that I have made over the last 4 years are going to help me much if a Cap and Trade scam gets passed into law. All my energy savings poof
Chiefaz Champion Author Phoenix Posts:3,031 Points:989,315 Joined:Sep 2008	Message Posted: Feb 1, 2009 12:17:25 PM Ignore Chiefaz Report Abuse recentcoin What we need to do is treat our crops as OPEC treats oil. Tell them we will give them a bushel of wheat or corn for a barrel of oil. If they refuse, they starve. The only thing that happens to us is that we have to walk. It is called "tit for tat". We feed the world, mostly as a give away. We need to stop that and trade with them on a level playing field!
BLTHNDR Veteran Author Chicago Posts:462 Points:174,995 Joined:Apr 2004	Message Posted: Jan 29, 2009 9:37:55 PM Ignore BLTHNDR Report Abuse What are you tring to do tick off all those nascar lovers down south Hybrid dragsters now thats a concept, A little levity
recentcoin Rookie Author Texas Posts:45 Points:560 Joined:Jun 2007	Message Posted: Jan 27, 2009 7:57:26 PM Ignore recentcoin Report Abuse Our economy is hooked on oil the same way a junkie is hooked on crack. The biggest problem that I see with biofuels is that we are diverting our food supply into our energy chain. This leads to all sorts of problems with higher food prices for everything we consider staples - milk, eggs, meat, pasta, cheese, bread, etc. Further compounding the issue is the fact that the Ogalla Aquifer, the water source that provides the irrigation that makes this massive grain production possible, is due to run dry in 2020. Without irrigation, the current levels of grain production are simply not sustainable. What that means for the future of our FOOD supply remains to be seen. However, it bodes very ill for using biofuels. The best way to lower fuel prices is to INCREASE consumption. It's retarded but it is what it is. The more oil we buy, the less we pay per barrel. It's a weird sort of bulk purchase discount. Production of solar panels isn't any better and actually produces some really nasty and toxic by products that we don't have a good way to get rid of. As for electric cars, they aren't a panacea either. First off, you shift energy production from relatively clean internal combustion enginges on to relatively dirty coal fired electric power plants. Secondly, you have the battery technology, which produces all sorts of nasty toxic crap to make either the standard wet lead/acid battery or some really bad juju in dealing with NiCad or LiION batteries. Any one here ever hear of heavy metal poisoning? What we really need is an entirely new technology. One that is NOT dependent on diverting our food stocks into energy production. [Edited by: recentcoin at 1/27/2009 7:59:45 PM EST]
MelodicMetalGod Champion Author Maryland Posts:5,072 Points:1,042,700 Joined:Mar 2005	Message Posted: Jan 27, 2009 7:24:43 PM Ignore MelodicMetalGod Report Abuse bump
kwilson3 Champion Author Alabama Posts:1,320 Points:116,920 Joined:Nov 2008	Message Posted: Jan 27, 2009 6:17:55 PM Ignore kwilson3 Report Abuse ok
JayMac08 Champion Author Jackson Posts:3,386 Points:205,430 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Jan 26, 2009 7:06:36 PM Ignore JayMac08 Report Abuse OK, Im listening.
Chiefaz Champion Author Phoenix Posts:3,031 Points:989,315 Joined:Sep 2008	Message Posted: Jan 25, 2009 4:19:17 PM Ignore Chiefaz Report Abuse PatAZ There exists a vehicle that is electric and maintains it's charge with a small gasoline engine that gives 75 miles to the gallon. It was built by Mother Earth, a green magazine in the 60's. It's the answer to our problem. It uses very little gas and still gives the service we are used to, jump in and drive across country on very little gas but no stops to charge the batteries. GM wants you to think they developed it in the Volt (due out next year) but that isn't so. A company offered them the same concept in the 80's and GM told them to get lost.
PatAZ Champion Author Tucson Posts:9,285 Points:123,500 Joined:May 2008	Message Posted: Jan 23, 2009 9:08:22 AM Ignore PatAZ Report Abuse A cheap conversiion to some sort of alternative fuel would be great. Now if it only existed.....
ChannelIslands Champion Author Ventura Posts:7,081 Points:974,785 Joined:Dec 2008	Message Posted: Jan 13, 2009 12:55:51 AM Ignore ChannelIslands Report Abuse The problem is cost. Most alternatives are more pricey than petro. Also you have to modify or buy a new vehicle. When prices become competitive I am all for it.
MelodicMetalGod Champion Author Maryland Posts:5,072 Points:1,042,700 Joined:Mar 2005	Message Posted: Jan 11, 2009 2:21:11 PM Ignore MelodicMetalGod Report Abuse Actually, supply and demand ARE market forces.
kwilson3 Champion Author Alabama Posts:1,320 Points:116,920 Joined:Nov 2008	Message Posted: Jan 10, 2009 10:40:43 PM Ignore kwilson3 Report Abuse Boycotts don't work. Conservation is better. The law of supply and demand will dictate market forces.
13Octane Champion Author Tucson Posts:2,147 Points:332,165 Joined:Aug 2005	Message Posted: Dec 31, 2008 12:46:47 PM Ignore 13Octane Report Abuse i agree
debbyarr Champion Author Florida Posts:2,968 Points:607,105 Joined:Jun 2005	Message Posted: Dec 26, 2008 4:55:24 PM Ignore debbyarr Report Abuse Well, we now see that it's been confirmed. It is how much the oil refineries PRODUCE, not how much the price of oil is or how much demand there is which determines how much gasoline at the pump will be. Gasoline demand is down at a record amount in the U.S. and around the world. Oil prices are down to a record amount. And so the California refineries are refining less oil into gasoline so we don't see a corresponding reduction in the price of gasoline at the pump!
jpk13 Champion Author Wisconsin Posts:8,769 Points:1,621,605 Joined:Sep 2008	Message Posted: Dec 24, 2008 6:59:16 PM Ignore jpk13 Report Abuse A cheap way to use solar energy is to open sun facing curtains in the winter and close the curtains when the sun no longer faces that curtain/window.
MelodicMetalGod Champion Author Maryland Posts:5,072 Points:1,042,700 Joined:Mar 2005	Message Posted: Dec 24, 2008 5:03:18 PM Ignore MelodicMetalGod Report Abuse I'll say this: This doc is doing more to conserve energy than our government or the oil industry. :) Doctor Allegedly Used Body Fat As Fuel - Liposuction Remains Supposedly Used For Biodiesel
Chiefaz Champion Author Phoenix Posts:3,031 Points:989,315 Joined:Sep 2008	Message Posted: Dec 15, 2008 6:09:38 PM Ignore Chiefaz Report Abuse MelodicMetalGod Go to Solarcity.com and see for yourself. Gives you all the info you need plus they will even lease you the equipment!
Don1222 Champion Author Michigan Posts:7,802 Points:1,089,855 Joined:Jul 2008	Message Posted: Dec 2, 2008 10:33:18 AM Ignore Don1222 Report Abuse MelodicMetalGod: Not Solar, but until there is, GeoThermal may be good for you. It has been for me.
Snowlady Champion Author Syracuse Posts:6,942 Points:649,950 Joined:Sep 2004	Message Posted: Dec 2, 2008 10:20:46 AM Ignore Snowlady Report Abuse Cuda!! Thanks for popping in. I'm with you. Keep me in your e-mail, please.
MelodicMetalGod Champion Author Maryland Posts:5,072 Points:1,042,700 Joined:Mar 2005	Message Posted: Dec 1, 2008 8:13:44 PM Ignore MelodicMetalGod Report Abuse Anybody have any solid solar energy solutions for the home to share?
paoli8 Champion Author Philadelphia Posts:7,181 Points:1,844,945 Joined:Jul 2007	Message Posted: Nov 30, 2008 7:32:36 AM Ignore paoli8 Report Abuse I concur, should be supporting alternative fuels and help them get onto the market. Our dependance on other countries for our essential needs has and will be a problem until we reverse such needs.
68CudaGuy Champion Author Georgia Posts:1,833 Points:137,200 Joined:Nov 2005	Message Posted: Nov 29, 2008 6:33:03 PM Ignore 68CudaGuy Report Abuse "I'll chime in unitl 68CudaGuy gets here... Ya want change? Don't look to the government unless you mean to overthrow it. The government is not about change, it's about resisting change. Even when it does take action, that action is only taking in the interest of it's own survival or prosperity. If you want positive change, make it in yourself, in your life and in the lives of those around you. Take of yourself, then your family, then your friends and next thing ya know the whole village is doin' OK and it only expands from there. That's how you create change...not by pulling some lever or punching at some computer screen in a voting outhouse setup by the government to make you feel like they give a rat's butt about what you want or need." Uhhh DAMN STRAIGHT SKIPPY!!!!!! As I've been gone the last couple months this is the first time I've been back on this thread. One of the major reasons I took a break from GB was the insesant whiney butt comments made by those who should know better, or at least never would bother going out and educating themselves, as the election ramped up. So now that Barrak Hussein Obama has won by lying to the ignorant masses I hope that we(YOU) get the Government we(YOU) deserve.. As for me I will be unparticipating in as much of the tax jackup and creeping communism that is coming. Don't worry about me, I'll be just friggin' peachy as I continue to come up with ideas and ways to "steal" my money back from the Gubbermint and the big evil oil companies.. I learned a lot the last time such a weak minded socialist was in office. I believe you might remember him, his name was Jimmy Carter.. Happy Thanksgiving Comrades!!!
MelodicMetalGod Champion Author Maryland Posts:5,072 Points:1,042,700 Joined:Mar 2005	Message Posted: Nov 27, 2008 10:21:17 PM Ignore MelodicMetalGod Report Abuse Happy Thanks! Hope y'all are having a good one and may you be fortunate enough to have the day off from work tomorrow! MelodicMetalGod
baitmn Champion Author New Orleans Posts:9,192 Points:2,135,400 Joined:Sep 2006	Message Posted: Nov 27, 2008 1:01:46 PM Ignore baitmn Report Abuse Well I like to travel now that I'm retire
Mento Champion Author Honolulu Posts:1,869 Points:22,315 Joined:Jun 2008	Message Posted: Oct 27, 2008 2:12:01 PM Ignore Mento Report Abuse We do have a backup, at least our government does.. it's Epact2005, it's diversities are working up for some solutions that hits the sametime new vehicles comes out in 2010 to 2012... Everything dealing with energies... Nuclear, Solar, Wind, Ethanol, Diesel, Gas, Nat Gas, water turbines ETC.
ptmacgjr Champion Author Akron Posts:10,874 Points:1,862,100 Joined:Jan 2007	Message Posted: Oct 26, 2008 5:06:33 PM Ignore ptmacgjr Report Abuse Don, GREAT POST. I posted the same on another blog and you should have seen the ruckus it caused. There is nothing a Dem can say to defend themselves over it. Thats probably why there were no responses (k, ceptin 1) to your posting. The Dems don't wanna hear/see things like that so ifin they just ignore it, it wasn't there in the first place.
Chiefaz Champion Author Phoenix Posts:3,031 Points:989,315 Joined:Sep 2008	Message Posted: Oct 25, 2008 3:59:52 PM Ignore Chiefaz Report Abuse 91Firebird 1/3 of 50 equals 12. I still say, if you do away with the Electoral College anyone living in a small state will lose the rights! [Edited by: Chiefaz at 10/25/2008 4:00:25 PM EST]
Snowlady Champion Author Syracuse Posts:6,942 Points:649,950 Joined:Sep 2004	Message Posted: Oct 24, 2008 8:51:52 AM Ignore Snowlady Report Abuse Soooo, back to the topic of supporting anything we can find to get us off of foreign oil...especially with OPEC eyeing production cuts to try and keep moneygrubbing. Bah.
91Firebird Champion Author Oklahoma City Posts:4,586 Points:178,470 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Oct 22, 2008 12:09:37 PM Ignore 91Firebird Report Abuse Chief, I am talking electoral college when I say the top 1/3 decides the winner. Win the top 12 most populous states and you can lose all 38 others but still win the election. Run the numbers.
Snowlady Champion Author Syracuse Posts:6,942 Points:649,950 Joined:Sep 2004	Message Posted: Oct 22, 2008 8:57:23 AM Ignore Snowlady Report Abuse Thanks, Melodic. No, I am not an English teacher; I merely want to understand exactly what people are saying. Misunderstandings can make for hurt feelings. Did anyone catch today's article (maybe it was yesterday's) regarding alternative fuel funding drying up? It's time for each of us to step up our individual efforts to "go green".