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Sneakers55 Champion Author Houston Posts:51,862 Points:2,169,600 Joined:Nov 2005	Message Posted: May 31, 2010 11:25:46 PM Ignore Sneakers55 Report Abuse Quote from their latest SEC 20-F covering 2009: "During the period covered by this report, non-US subsidiaries or other non-US entities of BP, conducted limited activities in, or with persons from, certain countries identified by the US Department of State as State Sponsors of Terrorism (‘Sanctioned Countries’)." The report goes on to detail their business activities in Cuba, Iran, and Syria. Link to BP's 20-F (huge)

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Quote from their latest SEC 20-F covering 2009:

"During the period covered by this report, non-US subsidiaries or other non-US entities of BP, conducted limited activities in, or with persons from, certain countries identified by the US Department of State as State Sponsors of Terrorism (‘Sanctioned Countries’)."

The report goes on to detail their business activities in Cuba, Iran, and Syria.

Link to BP's 20-F (huge)

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rumbleseat Champion Author Winnipeg Posts:23,072 Points:3,551,075 Joined:Oct 2002	Message Posted: Jun 22, 2010 1:59:28 AM Ignore rumbleseat Report Abuse asiqueiros says: "said it was due to ALL THE BOYCOTTING of BP... So i think it has good...." Good what? For who? It is the service station owners who have actually been losing the bulk of the money at the retail level, your family, friends, neighbours, and fellow taxpayers you gleefully want to bankrupt. And the flip side is - if a boycott hurts BP, what money is going to pay for the restoration of the coast?
asiqueiros Rookie Author Tucson Posts:22 Points:8,725 Joined:Jun 2010	Message Posted: Jun 19, 2010 11:20:05 AM Ignore asiqueiros Report Abuse People have said it would not do anygood to BOYCOTT BP well according to the associated press BP has lost almost 3MILLION DOLLARS A WEEK & they said it was due to ALL THE BOYCOTTING of BP... So i think it has good....
asiqueiros Rookie Author Tucson Posts:22 Points:8,725 Joined:Jun 2010	Message Posted: Jun 19, 2010 11:17:48 AM Ignore asiqueiros Report Abuse people said it will not do anygood to BOYCOTT BP
Ernman Champion Author Orlando Posts:3,494 Points:982,340 Joined:Sep 2006	Message Posted: Jun 9, 2010 10:29:59 AM Ignore Ernman Report Abuse Will not do any good to boycott BP...Will not!!!
Sportsmaster21 Champion Author West Virginia Posts:3,751 Points:572,555 Joined:Dec 2008	Message Posted: Jun 9, 2010 9:25:56 AM Ignore Sportsmaster21 Report Abuse I'm tired of all these boycotting threads...I'm boycotting the boycotters! Sneaker55, you are being boycotted against just because I want to boycott someone, and I'm just that awesome!!! or how bout this: It rained this morning on my way to work, so because of this, I'm boycotting you...mainly because I can and I'm just that awesome!
MARIOWERX Champion Author Vancouver Posts:16,080 Points:1,668,435 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Jun 8, 2010 8:55:36 PM Ignore MARIOWERX Report Abuse Whats the point?
Gas_Buddy Champion Author Maryland Posts:26,207 Points:3,062,700 Joined:Aug 2004	Message Posted: Jun 8, 2010 9:28:22 AM Ignore Gas_Buddy Report Abuse I think almost any boycott call regarding gas (unless you're directing it to one specific station for specific reasons) is too many, but there are only five boycott BP (or did you hear about a BP boycott thread) out of more than 4,700 boycott topics. I can live with that many; no one has to read them let alone respond to any of them. After all, there are more than 93,000 threads "just for points", with nearly 40 million responses. Do we really need THAT many threads just for points, most of which require a one word or one number response? Better to have more pages of comments on a topic, than tens of thousands of topics on the same thing (type 'a' for points, type 'l' for points, 'type your age for points'. That said, it would be good, in the boycott threads, if people provided reasoning or logic in their responses (especially those who create the thread), instead of just comments such as, "Yeah... boycott" or "Need another reason to boycott a gas company...big gas... Exxon...BP...etc" and they don't actually say anything, and in most cases don't return to the thread. If you're going to take a stand, then take a stand and respond to those pro and con, not just agree with those who agree with you. (Classic example, in another thread was the guy who, if you disagreed with him, was adament in his opinion and, if you disagreed, said bluntly where you had your head. Are there too many boyctt threads? Probably, because it dilutes the intelligent comments when there are many to choose from; in fewer threadds you could get more comprehensive commentary, but, again, you don't have to read them. I'm more concerned about an intelligent thread that's hijacked by the same few people putting in their multiple "boycott 'em all" over and over, disrupting any commentary.
Sportsmaster21 Champion Author West Virginia Posts:3,751 Points:572,555 Joined:Dec 2008	Message Posted: Jun 8, 2010 8:51:10 AM Ignore Sportsmaster21 Report Abuse ScoutMaster...I AGREE WITH YOU SIR!! All these "Ban BP" threads are all the same. It's like beating a dead horse. BCERB, You are right. And I keep trying to tell people this. Don't get me wrong, I'm ticked off with BP and how they are destroying everything, but these stations are run and owned by normal, everyday people.
scoutmaster Champion Author Pittsburgh Posts:82,210 Points:3,282,145 Joined:Mar 2003	Message Posted: Jun 8, 2010 7:33:52 AM Ignore scoutmaster Report Abuse Does anyone think there are too many "Boycott BP" threads?
BCERB Champion Author Victoria Posts:2,297 Points:425,015 Joined:Jul 2009	Message Posted: Jun 8, 2010 1:13:20 AM Ignore BCERB Report Abuse Its also OK to kill & injure your own employees too right?! I disagree.
BCERB Champion Author Victoria Posts:2,297 Points:425,015 Joined:Jul 2009	Message Posted: Jun 8, 2010 1:10:54 AM Ignore BCERB Report Abuse So somehow its OK to hurt your friends-neighbours-family - people who create jobs and pay taxes - even rationalize killing them ....just as long as they arent connected in any way to BP? I disagree.
Gas_Buddy Champion Author Maryland Posts:26,207 Points:3,062,700 Joined:Aug 2004	Message Posted: Jun 7, 2010 8:58:03 AM Ignore Gas_Buddy Report Abuse Sorry, but while I disagree with those calling for gas boycotts, and in this case a BP boycott, I don't think they're idiots. They may be tree huggers; they may be closed minded; they may not care about the peripheral issues (regardless of how legitimate the issues may be) but that doesn't make them idiots; it makes them zealous in their belief in the same manner anti-cash for clunker proponents aren't idiots anymore than those who opposed the program, not any more than than those who think one political party is more right than another, not any more than believers of right to life are more idiotic than those who believe in choice (or the other way around). Some people are honest in their beliefs of what should be done. To quote, in part, the learned justice Oliver Wendall Holmes: "All that I mean by truth is what I can't help thinking .... But I have learned to surmise that my can't helps are not necessarily cosmic." Does that make them idiots? Not really. Idiotic maybe, but not idiots.
Sportsmaster21 Champion Author West Virginia Posts:3,751 Points:572,555 Joined:Dec 2008	Message Posted: Jun 7, 2010 8:11:06 AM Ignore Sportsmaster21 Report Abuse Rumbleseat, VERY WELL PUT SIR!To the rest of you who want to boycott everything...you are idiots. Simple, Tree hugging, close minded idiots..Sorry to have to say. You are NOT hurting BP at all by not buying gas from stations with their name on it. You are hurting a regular person just like me and you, just tryin to make a living. BP has around 900 stations nationwide. Of those 900, LESS THAN 100 are actually owned by the BP company. The other 800+ stations are independently owned by normal, everyday people!
rumbleseat Champion Author Winnipeg Posts:23,072 Points:3,551,075 Joined:Oct 2002	Message Posted: Jun 7, 2010 4:14:03 AM Ignore rumbleseat Report Abuse In 2008, BP started getting out of the retail gasoline business. Boycotting BP stations is a slap not at BP, but at your friends, neighbours, and family, people who create jobs and pay taxes in your community. Boycotting BP Hurts Station Owners, Not The Company This kind of "boycott" hurts people who were in no way responsible for the oil spill, and is a travesty of its own. Plus, if the boycott just happened to hit BP (it won't) badly in the pocketbook, how would the company then pay for the clean-up and damages? Ah, there goes that weird glitch again, re-posting a whole post instead of just the edited post. [Edited by: rumbleseat at 6/7/2010 4:15:15 AM EST]
rumbleseat Champion Author Winnipeg Posts:23,072 Points:3,551,075 Joined:Oct 2002	Message Posted: Jun 7, 2010 3:57:51 AM Ignore rumbleseat Report Abuse In 2008, BP started getting out of the retail gasoline business. Boycotting BP stations is a slap not at BP, but at your friends, neighbours, and family, people who create jobs and pay taxes in your community. Boycotting BP Hurts Station Owners, Not The Company This kind of "boycott" hurts people who were in no way responsible for the oil spill, and is a travesty of its own.
BCERB Champion Author Victoria Posts:2,297 Points:425,015 Joined:Jul 2009	Message Posted: Jun 7, 2010 1:17:21 AM Ignore BCERB Report Abuse Blah blah blah.
Gas_Buddy Champion Author Maryland Posts:26,207 Points:3,062,700 Joined:Aug 2004	Message Posted: Jun 6, 2010 9:46:45 PM Ignore Gas_Buddy Report Abuse Sorry, but I don't think "BP HAS GIVEN US MORE THAN ENOUGH REASONS TO BOYCOTT THEM." It's not as if BP said let everything be damned, we're drilling without concern. BP (and others) have been in this business too long to not know that something could go wrong, and something going wrong was the last thing they would want. But, even if BP made errors, and doing the kind of work they were doing (both in exploration and repair), they were errors. But even if they were bad errors, what do you think you would accomplish by boycotting BP? As for the other post, sorry, but this isn't the place to be calling people idiots; even if they have a disagreeing opinion that you. It's possible that they honestly believe their opinions just as you believe yours.
jakerson All-Star Author Fresno Posts:556 Points:127,225 Joined:Jun 2009	Message Posted: Jun 6, 2010 8:55:47 PM Ignore jakerson Report Abuse pretty fishy
INDY51 Champion Author North Carolina Posts:4,910 Points:961,480 Joined:Jun 2009	Message Posted: Jun 6, 2010 6:36:28 PM Ignore INDY51 Report Abuse BP HAS GIVEN US MORE THAN ENOUGH REASONS TO BOYCOTT THEM.
MARIOWERX Champion Author Vancouver Posts:16,080 Points:1,668,435 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Jun 6, 2010 12:06:26 PM Ignore MARIOWERX Report Abuse Blah blah blah ?
Gas_Buddy Champion Author Maryland Posts:26,207 Points:3,062,700 Joined:Aug 2004	Message Posted: Jun 6, 2010 11:47:30 AM Ignore Gas_Buddy Report Abuse Blah?
MARIOWERX Champion Author Vancouver Posts:16,080 Points:1,668,435 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Jun 6, 2010 3:08:09 AM Ignore MARIOWERX Report Abuse blah
BCERB Champion Author Victoria Posts:2,297 Points:425,015 Joined:Jul 2009	Message Posted: Jun 6, 2010 2:19:08 AM Ignore BCERB Report Abuse Damage done to your friends & neighbors Maybe get lucky again but doubtful Sure they may luck out avoiding prosecution again but I doubt it. Just a matter of what charges will be laid. Re: your speculation of hurting friends neighbors blah blah blah One could cite your same lines re: BP where such potential has actually been realized BP incompetence negligence blah blah blah - has hurt hundreds of business owners, your friends and neighbours, blah blah blah -your fellow taxpayers and creators of employment blah blah blah migratory birds sea life blah blah blah thier own employees & families, many other business owners now out of business blah blah blah fisherman tourism on & on & on.
jdhelm Champion Author Iowa Posts:12,152 Points:1,227,565 Joined:Dec 2009	Message Posted: Jun 5, 2010 9:32:50 AM Ignore jdhelm Report Abuse I kinda watched in amazement last night on the news, when the Governor of Georgia said that BP was putting the barrier tubes down on the beach, but they did not hire any of the oil workers out of a job from the gulf ordeal, instead that all of the workers were trucked in from (like) Maine or somewhere up NE. wow. The Gov also said that BP has heard the complaint and will now hire the local out of work oil riggers and fishermen. again - wow.
dunebuggy1 All-Star Author British Columbia Posts:609 Points:75,015 Joined:Mar 2010	Message Posted: Jun 5, 2010 6:26:58 AM Ignore dunebuggy1 Report Abuse Yes!! Want to make a mark?.....send all your gas receipts to>>>>>.... The WHITE House 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. Washington,DC 20500 atten: BHO or call 202-456-1111 and tell the voice to send YOU an ecnomic stimulas check for gas to get to and from work.....GM gets one why not US.
rumbleseat Champion Author Winnipeg Posts:23,072 Points:3,551,075 Joined:Oct 2002	Message Posted: Jun 5, 2010 2:15:43 AM Ignore rumbleseat Report Abuse Criminal charges are likely, but they haven't been filed, and they aren't pending. "The inquiry by the Homeland Security and Interior Departments into how the spill occurred is still in its early stages and authorities have not confirmed whether a criminal investigation has been launched." Criminal charges likely legal experts say Note this is legal experts giving an opinion, it is not any prosecutorial representative announcing charges at this point in time.Whether charges are laid or not, the call for a boycott of BP stations is a call to hurt the hundreds of business owners, your friends and neighbours, your fellow taxpayers and creators of employment. They would be the ones that would suffer the most, and you would likely be getting BP product in other stations anyway. [Edited by: rumbleseat at 6/5/2010 2:19:24 AM EST]
BCERB Champion Author Victoria Posts:2,297 Points:425,015 Joined:Jul 2009	Message Posted: Jun 5, 2010 12:27:43 AM Ignore BCERB Report Abuse Its not whether - its when & what type of criminal charges - pending
Gas_Buddy Champion Author Maryland Posts:26,207 Points:3,062,700 Joined:Aug 2004	Message Posted: Jun 3, 2010 7:18:55 AM Ignore Gas_Buddy Report Abuse The other issue is, if BP is being "charged" or will be investigated for errors in trying to rectify the problem, are they better off to stop everything they're doing and avoid compounding the problem, and possibly subsequent charges. It's not as if the U.S. government (nor any other for all I know) can step in and solve the problem or conduct the clean-up. Like it or not, the oil industry is where much of the expertise lies. They're the ones that have done exploration - and had to cope with possible problems (such as you have now) and problems in the past. Would you feel more competent in doing what many have called for: "Send in the military..." As one poster to a Letters to the Editor section wrote, "If we brought our troops home from Iraq they could fix the problem." You just have to like the American way of fixing a problem that the professionals in the industry can't yet do.
catfish99 Champion Author Wilmington Posts:14,177 Points:2,525,200 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Jun 3, 2010 5:44:39 AM Ignore catfish99 Report Abuse Pending? Launching an investigation and "pending" criminal charges are very, very different things.
BCERB Champion Author Victoria Posts:2,297 Points:425,015 Joined:Jul 2009	Message Posted: Jun 3, 2010 2:32:58 AM Ignore BCERB Report Abuse BP Criminal charges pending.
Gas_Buddy Champion Author Maryland Posts:26,207 Points:3,062,700 Joined:Aug 2004	Message Posted: Jun 2, 2010 2:25:36 PM Ignore Gas_Buddy Report Abuse "But would they or other companies learn from this, I doubt." I think they'll learn. Just as BP learned. But, you can only prepare so much for an underwater accident involving complex equipment that's accessed remotely. Will there be future accidents? Damned right. Either damned right or we're damned lucky. Or, you don't drill and avoid possible accidents. But, BP, like a lot of international companies, deals with a lot of other international companies, some belonging to countries for which we don't have the best of relations, but are important partners for those countries. It's not simply us and them, and the us's can all stick together and survive, and the them's all stick together and survive. Countries and businesses sometimes cross borders in more ways than one.
kslgas Champion Author Calgary Posts:2,413 Points:1,627,855 Joined:Apr 2007	Message Posted: Jun 2, 2010 10:40:55 AM Ignore kslgas Report Abuse Boycott will hurt the local stations. BP sure learned their lesson from layoff, outsource and cost cutting. But would they or other companies learn from this, I doubt.
BobD2009 Champion Author Long Island Posts:7,134 Points:1,268,460 Joined:Apr 2009	Message Posted: Jun 2, 2010 10:00:44 AM Ignore BobD2009 Report Abuse Boycotting BP is one thing, but boycotting the small business owner who owns a local gas station is wrong. Fortunately most people knows this. A BP station not far from me had boy-cotters with signs and were paid no attention to. Cars came in and out as normal and the price was not extremely low, $2.93 about average for the area.
Gas_Buddy Champion Author Maryland Posts:26,207 Points:3,062,700 Joined:Aug 2004	Message Posted: Jun 2, 2010 9:55:20 AM Ignore Gas_Buddy Report Abuse And, as Brazil is in negotations with Iran regarding upgrading Iran's oil industry, are you also boycotting Brazilian oil products? They are among the top exporters of fuel to the U.S. And are you boycotting Saudi and other Middle East oil products? After all, they're not a champion human rights or religious tolerance (let alone religious freedom). Just want to make sure that you're consistent when you boycott that you don't pick and choose.
catfish99 Champion Author Wilmington Posts:14,177 Points:2,525,200 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Jun 2, 2010 5:34:47 AM Ignore catfish99 Report Abuse Cuba has GSP status with the EU, allowing its exports preferential treatment for tariff and taxation. Not surprising that a EU company would do business with them.