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Groober Rookie Author Wilmington Posts:1 Points:220 Joined:Apr 2006	Message Posted: Apr 15, 2011 2:03:49 PM Ignore Groober Report Abuse In the Mid-Atlantic area I've found only one gas station that does not buy gas that originates from the Middle East. Hess. I know refineries blend gasoline from many sources but I hope this is accurate.

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In the Mid-Atlantic area I've found only one gas station that does not buy gas that originates from the Middle East. Hess. I know refineries blend gasoline from many sources but I hope this is accurate.

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maxstar Champion Author Chicago Posts:18,471 Points:807,595 Joined:Feb 2011	Message Posted: May 17, 2011 8:45:52 AM Ignore maxstar Report Abuse Groober? Are you there?
catfish99 Champion Author Wilmington Posts:13,957 Points:2,494,575 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: May 17, 2011 6:30:29 AM Ignore catfish99 Report Abuse He's been too busy posting gas prices to look up the EIA information.
MARIOWERX Champion Author Vancouver Posts:15,920 Points:1,637,810 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: May 16, 2011 10:45:23 PM Ignore MARIOWERX Report Abuse McGroober will find out its not accurate
Gas_Buddy Champion Author Maryland Posts:25,958 Points:3,032,115 Joined:Aug 2004	Message Posted: May 16, 2011 12:57:49 PM Ignore Gas_Buddy Report Abuse Now that's a brilliant idea: Make it illegal to import oil from...well, I guess this would depend on who's in government at the time because situations change, but yeah, make it illegal to import oil from, say, Saudi Arabia, Mexico, Nigeria, and, well you can pick the fourth place. That will simplify the decision making process for companies buying oil to refine, and with less oil available, then gas stations will have less to sell because there's little chance that the companies they can buy from will be able to meet the public's demands for refined oil. There would be two easy ways to distribute the lesser amont of fuel; we can either ration the amount of fuel people can buy or people can buy whatever they want at a price they're willing to pay. I know the last idea wouldn't go over very well with people who don't have a lot of money to spend on gas but, you know, the people who do have money won't have to worry about long lines or rationing. I mean it won't be gouging because it's like selling Rolls Royce cars; if the market will pay the price, so be it. Gas doesn't have to be considered a necessity; it's not as if people had to have cars to drive around. After all, it was only a hundred years ago or so that most people didn't have cars. People are, you know, adaptable.
tbaughman Sophomore Author Edmonton Posts:225 Points:65,840 Joined:Feb 2011	Message Posted: May 16, 2011 11:17:17 AM Ignore tbaughman Report Abuse The way commodities work, you can't really stop any particular source of oil. You could make it illegal to import it from there in the first place, but companies can still get their oil in. They'd need a go-between, which will increase its cost which would make it less attractive, but it would still happen.
catfish99 Champion Author Wilmington Posts:13,957 Points:2,494,575 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: May 9, 2011 6:35:14 AM Ignore catfish99 Report Abuse Salgood has the Post of the Month.
maxstar Champion Author Chicago Posts:18,471 Points:807,595 Joined:Feb 2011	Message Posted: May 4, 2011 1:01:07 AM Ignore maxstar Report Abuse 3600psi: That was quite a statement. Sounds like you are not just standing there complaining. Of the suggested alternatives your present, which one are you currently using? Electric, bi fuel, CNG, hydrogen, bicycle or walking? If you use more than one cam you share your experiences and recommendations on the best one?
Gas_Buddy Champion Author Maryland Posts:25,958 Points:3,032,115 Joined:Aug 2004	Message Posted: May 3, 2011 11:33:40 AM Ignore Gas_Buddy Report Abuse 3600psi: You're fogetting that oil has proven over the years to be a reasonable, reliable, and affordable fuel (and still is compared to much of the world). And, what you're calling "puppet masters" are Middle East positions; OPEC, I'm sure you know, is made up of African and South American oil producing countries also; if you're going to cast blame, then cast blame world-wide, but the U.S. is also dependent on Canadian oil. Are you also blaming Canada? While your suggestions are good, it's not reasonable that everyone simply "goes electric"; if electric cars were such a good option (forgetting they're expensive to begin with and limited in use), you wouldn't need to have the taxpayer - including those that cannot afford such cars and those who use public transportation - subsidize the sale of every one of them. The Tesla, for example costs $100,000; the government loaned the company about $640 million to help build the car, and then, because it's such a popular and high demand car, the government also has to give a $7,500 subsidy to everyone buying it. Hard to see that as a good alternative to even high priced oil.
3600psi Rookie Author Detroit Posts:2 Points:265 Joined:May 2011	Message Posted: May 3, 2011 8:52:48 AM Ignore 3600psi Report Abuse CNG bi fuel is the fuel for non fools. I pay $1.00 per clean US produced gallon equivalent.I no longer wish to be the puppet dancing to the tune of the puppet masters (ie Sheiks, Ummas, Emirs, Ayatollah's) that are laughing at us for buying their garbage, while they party down using our hard earned money. Don't just complain, do something about it. Go electric, bi fuel cng, hydrogen (good luck with that), bicycle, walk etc...) DON'T JUST STAND THERE DO SOMETHING
salgood Champion Author Twin Cities Posts:4,204 Points:953,055 Joined:Jun 2008	Message Posted: May 3, 2011 8:04:13 AM Ignore salgood Report Abuse Some people believe Big Oil is a problem. A glance through some of the Forum topics and responses should prove that Big Education in this country has let us down.
brerrabbitTX Champion Author Houston Posts:1,025 Points:18,185 Joined:Mar 2011	Message Posted: Apr 27, 2011 4:48:54 PM Ignore brerrabbitTX Report Abuse I work in the industry and I would love to know how any gas station has a clue what the source of their oil was. If they are on the east cost their source of crude could be US refined on the gulf coast and shipped on Colonial pipeline, Canadian (Hibernian to be exact) refined on the east coast, African, Brent (from the North Sea) or Middle Eastern. Since refineries buy from different sources each month and those sources vary based on price, type of crude and API specifics there is not an easy way to track where your gas originated. Beyond that the last person who knows where it comes from is the guy at the gas station. And there is no way to go by brand either because oil and gas movements tend to be fairly effcient so that all brands in a given area probably come from the same refineries and are differentiated by the additive injected into them. Given all that good luck on finding out where your crude came out of the ground.
Gas_Buddy Champion Author Maryland Posts:25,958 Points:3,032,115 Joined:Aug 2004	Message Posted: Apr 27, 2011 2:44:17 PM Ignore Gas_Buddy Report Abuse Apparently Groober, who's made creating this thread his one and only message post, can probably tell you. Of course I'm not sure what he hopes is accurate; I guess from the way he said it that he hopes that refineries blend gas from many sources.
bycyklr Veteran Author Ontario Posts:378 Points:92,560 Joined:May 2006	Message Posted: Apr 27, 2011 2:21:30 PM Ignore bycyklr Report Abuse How do I know if I'm buying middle east gas? The stations I frequent don't know where their supplier gets it.
catfish99 Champion Author Wilmington Posts:13,957 Points:2,494,575 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Apr 21, 2011 6:17:57 AM Ignore catfish99 Report Abuse Jenny, Spend some time away from the hate sites and learn how the real world works.
maxstar Champion Author Chicago Posts:18,471 Points:807,595 Joined:Feb 2011	Message Posted: Apr 21, 2011 1:56:00 AM Ignore maxstar Report Abuse CorvetteJenny: Not sure where you get your news. The U.S. Energy Information Administration states on its website "As of September 2009, no Alaskan oil has been exported since 2004" and between 1996 and 2004 only 2.7% of Alaskan Oil was exported. That information is is line with the link that Michael29644 posted. In addition, Sara Palin was Governor of Alaska from December 2006 to July 2009. The U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA)
Michael29644 Champion Author Greenville Posts:4,950 Points:840,350 Joined:Jan 2011	Message Posted: Apr 21, 2011 12:56:24 AM Ignore Michael29644 Report Abuse "Most of OUR Alaska crude oil is not consumed in the USA, it is sold to Communist China" You sure about that? Even if it were true (and I don't think it is), it might not be as big of an issue as it sounds. Alaskan oil shipped to Japan? [Edited by: Michael29644 at 4/21/2011 12:56:58 AM EST]
CorvetteJenny Rookie Author Portland Posts:35 Points:3,135 Joined:Jun 2008	Message Posted: Apr 20, 2011 4:21:46 AM Ignore CorvetteJenny Report Abuse Most of OUR Alaska crude oil is not consumed in the USA, it is sold to Communist China....Sarah Palen endorsed legislation that abolished the need for some % of Alaska oil to stay in the state, or be of direct financial benefit to the state...She wanted 100% of it to go overseas and non of the funds to stay in Alaska,....If this is what the right wing thinks is presidential material, they are NUTS..She SCREWED her own state out of millions in revenue letting all the oil go with no benefit to the citizens of the state... If the USA would use our own oil instead of selling it to the communist countries, we would not need to buy much Arab oil at all....What a mess!
Michael29644 Champion Author Greenville Posts:4,950 Points:840,350 Joined:Jan 2011	Message Posted: Apr 17, 2011 12:22:54 AM Ignore Michael29644 Report Abuse Since you know that refineries blend stocks from multiple sources, how can you take the station's claim seriously? If it were true, there would need to be at least one refinery that only used known non-middle east oil. I've never heard of one.
maxstar Champion Author Chicago Posts:18,471 Points:807,595 Joined:Feb 2011	Message Posted: Apr 16, 2011 6:50:30 PM Ignore maxstar Report Abuse Groober, If what you really mean is Boycott Middle East Oil I would agree with you but my concern goes beyond a tank of gas. Boycotts do not work, but moving away from our dependence on the middle east for our oil is a goal this country needs to do and will have a bigger longer lasting impact than a boycott. Being frugal with in the energy we currently use is the best way to lessen that dependence immediately. Longer term, domestically produced oil, natural gas and coal and nuclear are needed as they are currently the only viable energy sources that will power an economy as large as the US. At the same time continued research to improve solar and wind and development of other energy sources is vital as a way to shift way from oil, coal and Natural Gas.
Gas_Buddy Champion Author Maryland Posts:25,958 Points:3,032,115 Joined:Aug 2004	Message Posted: Apr 16, 2011 4:25:09 PM Ignore Gas_Buddy Report Abuse Which is it? Drill oil, or not rely on oil? Of course if you drill here and the overseas (export) market is willing to pay higher prices for it than local buyers, what have you gained?
raj_fl Champion Author Trenton Posts:3,199 Points:726,055 Joined:Oct 2010	Message Posted: Apr 16, 2011 2:35:07 PM Ignore raj_fl Report Abuse drill oil in our back yard and not rely on oil in the first place
Gas_Buddy Champion Author Maryland Posts:25,958 Points:3,032,115 Joined:Aug 2004	Message Posted: Apr 15, 2011 4:37:45 PM Ignore Gas_Buddy Report Abuse I'm sure there's a point to this, Groober, but I missed it. It's somewhat like saying don't buy from OPEC because you shouldn't buy Middle East petroleum, when when you and I, and scoutmaster below, know that OPEC includes several African and South American countrires. Are you suggesting that everyone buy only Hess gas? Or am I wrong on that?
scoutmaster Champion Author Pittsburgh Posts:81,211 Points:3,251,670 Joined:Mar 2003	Message Posted: Apr 15, 2011 4:31:10 PM Ignore scoutmaster Report Abuse Another stupid one-hit-wonder thread!