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junniemoon Rookie Author Ontario Posts:60 Points:89,255 Joined:Apr 2005	Message Posted: Apr 19, 2005 4:28:20 PM Ignore junniemoon Report Abuse I am noticing now that more and more jobs are asking for more education than just grade 12. Is this the way for the graduates of grade 12 are being pushed into more and more education? What ever happened to just being able to have a grade 12 graduate diploma and being able to get a decent job?

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I am noticing now that more and more jobs are asking for more education than just grade 12. Is this the way for the graduates of grade 12 are being pushed into more and more education? What ever happened to just being able to have a grade 12 graduate diploma and being able to get a decent job?

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brihtniej Rookie Author Minnesota Posts:26 Points:5,900 Joined:Feb 2013	Message Posted: Feb 23, 2013 10:44:59 AM Ignore brihtniej Report Abuse I think its ridiculous how people are being forced into more education, more debt in order to get even a low paying entry level job. It's sad and scary
Snowchoux Champion Author Missouri Posts:1,003 Points:145,635 Joined:Sep 2012	Message Posted: Feb 13, 2013 6:48:34 PM Ignore Snowchoux Report Abuse I've seen people without a diploma doing great.
sunite Champion Author Virginia Posts:1,045 Points:250,405 Joined:Dec 2011	Message Posted: Nov 29, 2012 10:01:26 AM Ignore sunite Report Abuse High school isn't enough anymore. At least a 2-yr associates degree seems to be needed for entry level jobs besides fast-food places.
Jkent1953 Champion Author Salt Lake City Posts:2,126 Points:467,660 Joined:Dec 2011	Message Posted: Nov 19, 2012 2:15:48 AM Ignore Jkent1953 Report Abuse I think you need college or a trade. High school diploma doesn't cut it anymore.
OceanArcher Champion Author Mississippi Posts:5,838 Points:1,354,125 Joined:May 2004	Message Posted: Nov 5, 2012 9:20:52 AM Ignore OceanArcher Report Abuse I was speaking with a "service representative" at WallyWorld yesterday. She is an independant contractor for a company that sells posters, and her job is to stock and arrange the display at several stores in her area. She says the company requires a degree in business to get the job. Seems like overkill to me ...
sweetiepie627 Veteran Author Toronto Posts:252 Points:34,420 Joined:Oct 2012	Message Posted: Nov 5, 2012 8:57:22 AM Ignore sweetiepie627 Report Abuse I don't think high school is enough simply because the school don't teach you enough. There's a lot to be learned in and out of the classroom after high school.
Honda516 Rookie Author New Jersey Posts:64 Points:13,655 Joined:Sep 2004	Message Posted: Nov 5, 2012 8:47:02 AM Ignore Honda516 Report Abuse College just isn't enough these days. I was lucky to find a job, which has given me opportunities to learn and grow within the company, but that was 14 years ago. I don't think a high school diploma will even get you in for an interview. How much college will you need? That too is a risky question. I have see people with PHD's struggling. Seems you need to be diverse in everything to find something now a days.
pizazz Champion Author Columbus Posts:1,963 Points:66,100 Joined:Mar 2005	Message Posted: Sep 9, 2012 1:15:42 PM Ignore pizazz Report Abuse No, because a HS education is not what it used to be. Nor is a college degree. Degrees are mostly a screening device for the HR dept. When I graduated from college only the educational facilities were interested in my grades. The HR Directors commented on my salary increases with each new position. HS grads think they know everything. College grads know they will never know everything even within their own field of learning.
anthroMO Veteran Author St. Louis Posts:395 Points:116,540 Joined:Jun 2012	Message Posted: Sep 2, 2012 12:19:45 AM Ignore anthroMO Report Abuse 200 years ago only grade school was required. The it was high school. Later it became college. Now a doctorate might not be enough. Is there anything higher? At what price?
ed1real Veteran Author Tucson Posts:481 Points:164,260 Joined:Jun 2011	Message Posted: Aug 26, 2012 12:57:17 AM Ignore ed1real Report Abuse now days we need coolege we live in a high tech world it changing our lives
Roteque Champion Author Miami Posts:639,542 Points:1,346,165 Joined:Feb 2009	Message Posted: Aug 7, 2012 5:08:58 PM Ignore Roteque Report Abuse ~~Will being a High School graduate be enough?~~ If you get breaks in life...yes..if not the rest of the schooling can really be missed...specially in these trying times. The wife and I, 50's babies did it with HS Only, and did very well, I just dont endorse it in this day and age !!!
physed Champion Author Lancaster Posts:4,796 Points:399,435 Joined:Mar 2012	Message Posted: Jun 30, 2012 3:45:29 PM Ignore physed Report Abuse I don't think educators are amiss that we need more trade students. I think society is. We need a lot more trade professionals but kids aren't pushed in that direction. And society doesn't glorify trades so they aren't "desirable". But we need many many more to enter the trades.
tasha88CA All-Star Author California Posts:602 Points:43,315 Joined:Mar 2012	Message Posted: Apr 1, 2012 12:06:42 AM Ignore tasha88CA Report Abuse They have to have college now.
linda233 Sophomore Author Virginia Posts:189 Points:31,580 Joined:Sep 2011	Message Posted: Oct 6, 2011 11:02:48 AM Ignore linda233 Report Abuse The one arena where Educators are remiss is in the area of a Trade. There is still a need for Carpenters, Bricklayers, Plumbers, Electricians and a myriad of other professions that will still be needed. Unfortunately, Educators only know one way, their way, but there have been many that are successful without that sheepskin. If a person is inclined in the direction of education, that is great but it isn't the only way. I believe that higher education is not for everyone, they can still be successful and a great use to Society.
htrinh0000 Champion Author New Jersey Posts:3,594 Points:738,245 Joined:May 2011	Message Posted: Aug 19, 2011 10:12:30 AM Ignore htrinh0000 Report Abuse Most of the job descriptions I am seeing today asks if you have a master degree. It's hard enough in this job market for college graduates to find a job with their bachelor degree, but now a master as well?!? I'm not sure which college gave out credits for remedial English (grammar), Math, and writing, but it is sad if they did. [Edited by: htrinh0000 at 8/19/2011 10:13:08 AM EST]
Darrell5159 Champion Author Indiana Posts:2,187 Points:334,865 Joined:Jun 2011	Message Posted: Aug 14, 2011 4:53:34 AM Ignore Darrell5159 Report Abuse If you don't want to answer outsourced phone calls for a huge company then you better get some collage.
rickyacy Sophomore Author North Carolina Posts:216 Points:39,065 Joined:Jul 2011	Message Posted: Aug 2, 2011 1:03:57 PM Ignore rickyacy Report Abuse High school just is not enough any more.
fredjara All-Star Author California Posts:595 Points:123,415 Joined:Mar 2011	Message Posted: Jul 26, 2011 9:42:35 AM Ignore fredjara Report Abuse With the economy in the pits, and jobs rare as the pot of gold at the base of a rainbow, fast food stores are now requiring either a high school diploma, or grades that are above average. They can be picky now as they are trying to bring in a higher caliber worker.
jlnoble Rookie Author Iowa Posts:31 Points:17,335 Joined:Jul 2011	Message Posted: Jul 21, 2011 5:23:47 PM Ignore jlnoble Report Abuse I think it will be a starting point, but not sufficient in most cases, as it has been in the past.
borikua787 Veteran Author Oklahoma Posts:340 Points:129,980 Joined:May 2011	Message Posted: Jul 19, 2011 1:47:26 PM Ignore borikua787 Report Abuse These days education is lacking in most of the U.S. We need to put emphasis on this. We need to beat other countries in this area.
senatus Champion Author Austin Posts:5,434 Points:1,037,455 Joined:Aug 2004	Message Posted: Jul 15, 2011 5:05:09 PM Ignore senatus Report Abuse Political bloviation happened. Every long-winded, election-seeking, junketing-craving politico wants to "help the chuuul-dren." "Every kid should get a college education," is the new mantra, even if he or she wants to be a mechanic or plumber or carpenter.
JetManCT Champion Author Hartford Posts:3,756 Points:746,095 Joined:May 2011	Message Posted: May 31, 2011 9:09:30 PM Ignore JetManCT Report Abuse Not in these times. Back in the 40's and 50's, kids learned a lot more than they do today. Their education was more meaningful. Today, it's all dumbed-down. Freshmen at college get credit for remedial English (grammar), Math, and writing. Very sad.
bobcatfan Champion Author Kentucky Posts:1,703 Points:640,800 Joined:Apr 2011	Message Posted: May 8, 2011 10:25:34 PM Ignore bobcatfan Report Abuse The general knowledge of mankind double approximately every 18 months. This isn't 1950 and just being able to do the 3 "R's" just isn't enough any more.
Jmkinsey1984 Champion Author Fort Wayne Posts:1,439 Points:346,510 Joined:Mar 2011	Message Posted: May 1, 2011 11:47:48 AM Ignore Jmkinsey1984 Report Abuse No you will need either a Bachelor's degree or a master's degree
portlandcat Champion Author Tennessee Posts:1,918 Points:346,210 Joined:Apr 2011	Message Posted: Apr 22, 2011 9:23:35 AM Ignore portlandcat Report Abuse No! heck even a BA or BS is not enough these days!
ShanC Champion Author Rochester Posts:12,116 Points:406,785 Joined:Mar 2006	Message Posted: Apr 21, 2011 4:51:02 PM Ignore ShanC Report Abuse >Can you say "Would you like fries with that?" Ummm... some of the ones I see doing that can NOT even make correct change. High school was not enough For Them!
jorobins538 Champion Author Chicago Posts:4,742 Points:643,570 Joined:Sep 2009	Message Posted: Apr 21, 2011 2:57:14 PM Ignore jorobins538 Report Abuse Can you say "Would you like fries with that?"
RHNA1997 Veteran Author New Jersey Posts:299 Points:65,140 Joined:Mar 2011	Message Posted: Apr 9, 2011 12:19:59 AM Ignore RHNA1997 Report Abuse NO IT NOT!
flahusky All-Star Author Florida Posts:733 Points:154,590 Joined:Feb 2011	Message Posted: Apr 7, 2011 7:57:03 PM Ignore flahusky Report Abuse The question should be 'Will a 4year degree be enough'
galah Champion Author Ontario Posts:1,698 Points:27,060 Joined:Mar 2007	Message Posted: Apr 1, 2011 12:22:42 PM Ignore galah Report Abuse No way. World now supplies Uni. graduate students for the work force. You now compete with graduates from India, China etc.
rayw45 Champion Author New Jersey Posts:7,777 Points:393,800 Joined:Aug 2005	Message Posted: Feb 20, 2011 4:43:41 PM Ignore rayw45 Report Abuse No. The world has become more technically advanced and with it, the need to be better educated. The competition for jobs will most often be won by those with the higher level of education. When I was a younger man, those who did not do well in high school could become auto mechanics, enter the trades or join the military. That was then, but that is not today's world. The demands for technical expertise, in all those fields, have tilted the field in favor to those who have the skills and knowledge to compete. [Edited by: rayw45 at 2/20/2011 4:50:41 PM EST]
dmoney71 Rookie Author Detroit Posts:27 Points:219,825 Joined:Jan 2011	Message Posted: Feb 9, 2011 3:14:37 PM Ignore dmoney71 Report Abuse Not everyone will be as successful is Bill Gates without going to college. As I review applications, if it has no college I disregard it. There are too many applicants who try to go to college. Not everyone I hire has a college degree. But they all attend some college.
Burner123 Champion Author Texas Posts:13,984 Points:2,509,290 Joined:Mar 2005	Message Posted: Feb 9, 2011 8:55:10 AM Ignore Burner123 Report Abuse High school may be enough but, in today's society it probably will not let one get an opportunity. I look at Bill Gates and he does fairly well. If he didn't create something himself he probably would not have gotten an opportunity to prove himself.
bluesnut Champion Author New York Posts:13,575 Points:2,450,710 Joined:May 2006	Message Posted: Jan 28, 2011 11:13:58 AM Ignore bluesnut Report Abuse Some college graduates don't know much more than they did when they graduated from high school. So requiring college courses may not be enough to guarantee employers get qualified people.
GLM4205 Champion Author Toledo Posts:4,182 Points:825,070 Joined:Dec 2010	Message Posted: Jan 13, 2011 1:51:37 PM Ignore GLM4205 Report Abuse No. More and more jobs require some kind of Associate/Bachelor degree.
DianePA Champion Author Harrisburg Posts:1,187 Points:222,030 Joined:Dec 2010	Message Posted: Jan 9, 2011 8:45:07 AM Ignore DianePA Report Abuse Competition for jobs is tough these days. I think the more education you have the better your chances to get a good high paying job.
ShanC Champion Author Rochester Posts:12,116 Points:406,785 Joined:Mar 2006	Message Posted: Nov 4, 2010 1:55:21 PM Ignore ShanC Report Abuse Expect disappointment. A Chief Information Security Officer (which would require at least a B.S. or M.S. Degree) has an average salary of $125,000. Those above the 90th percentile make over $220,000. An Associates in IT doesn't get people very far in a good sized corporation - those are the ones that pay well. That is a GREAT place to start! Get that degree, but do not stop there. Keep going even if it is one class at a time. And get a foot in the door at a place that will help pay for tuition.
hotdirtbiker16NC Sophomore Author North Carolina Posts:143 Points:271,285 Joined:Jun 2010	Message Posted: Nov 4, 2010 9:25:28 AM Ignore hotdirtbiker16NC Report Abuse Im getting a 2 year degree in computer security. in 10 years ill be making $300,000 a year.
mweyant Champion Author Maryland Posts:5,673 Points:1,009,965 Joined:Feb 2010	Message Posted: Oct 24, 2010 6:11:40 AM Ignore mweyant Report Abuse I believe that the better educated you are the more freedom and ability you have to pursue the job that you love. The job market is very tough at the moment--not sure we can make sweeping generalizations.
olefin Champion Author Arkansas Posts:6,224 Points:752,465 Joined:Sep 2006	Message Posted: Jun 30, 2010 5:19:43 PM Ignore olefin Report Abuse <<A high school diploma is NEVER enough!!>> You should know better than say "never". Maybe you should read my post dated April 7, 09. And I fully retired at age 54. :)
MrPumpMyGas Rookie Author San Francisco Posts:39 Points:8,645 Joined:May 2010	Message Posted: Jun 30, 2010 3:48:53 PM Ignore MrPumpMyGas Report Abuse A high school diploma is NEVER enough!! Typically, the only jobs you can attain with only a high school diploma are labor intensive jobs......like construction, garbageman, servers, etc. Don't get me wrong, some of these jobs pay well. But it's only cause you put your body through so much wear and tear that you doing that particular type of work for 20 or 30 years is highly unlikely. Higher education is always the way!
chocolateflash Champion Author San Diego Posts:14,824 Points:2,712,785 Joined:Apr 2005	Message Posted: Jun 29, 2010 10:42:26 PM Ignore chocolateflash Report Abuse Technology grows every day. Our students need to keep up with the new technology that appears with every new I=phone that appears.
Natstoe11 Sophomore Author British Columbia Posts:230 Points:42,860 Joined:Apr 2010	Message Posted: May 9, 2010 10:53:31 AM Ignore Natstoe11 Report Abuse Being a trades person I feel a Grade 12 is enough. If you don't mind getting your hands dirty, there is opportunity out there. I am an Electrician and have a Full time job and run my own company (just me). I could work 24/7 if I wanted. I know my son (grade 10 right now) doesn't want to go past grade 12 and I personally don't have a problem with that because there is becoming a shortage of trades people right now. I make 100k plus with my fulltime job then add in my own company and I am doing just fine with my grade 12 + trades education.
metricauto Sophomore Author Oregon Posts:193 Points:74,640 Joined:Aug 2009	Message Posted: Apr 5, 2010 2:15:01 AM Ignore metricauto Report Abuse We need to have more tech programs and real world training, Sorry but History as much as I like it will bore some people to tears. Fixing machines for some is the adrenaline that will keep them learning or building or assembling etc. Germany has programs like this. America is too slow to change and that is WHY we have a 25 or more % Drop out rate. People need to learn what interests them as much as History or English literature. Some people just do not like those topics. The difference between being ignorant and stupid is. Being taught and not making the same mistake twice. English literature will not keep the lights on but Electrical training will. My auto Mechanic does not need to know when WW2 was, although it is nice if they have that interest also. It would be nice if people learned about driving laws, and financial planning and insurance and retirement, Real life stuff. What adults will need to function in our society, Algebra, although pretty on a report card will not get you a better insurance policy or pay that credit card bill, or explain why to get an oil change for your car. We live in a Complex world with very little training on how to navigate it...
galah Champion Author Ontario Posts:1,698 Points:27,060 Joined:Mar 2007	Message Posted: Mar 28, 2010 5:37:29 PM Ignore galah Report Abuse When future kids will be competing with new arrivals as well as Asians who value ongong post graduate education, Grd 12 is similiar to grd 8 in value of a few years gone by.IMHO
stoihor All-Star Author San Bernardino Posts:860 Points:400,360 Joined:Oct 2009	Message Posted: Jan 31, 2010 1:56:47 PM Ignore stoihor Report Abuse Most students are not ready for life after they graduate from high school. High schools do not prepare them well to have a decent job right after graduation.
rubesc Rookie Author New York Posts:68 Points:14,150 Joined:Dec 2006	Message Posted: Jan 29, 2010 11:38:54 PM Ignore rubesc Report Abuse I DO THINK BEING A HIGH SCHOOL GRADUATE MAKE'S A DIFFERENCE IN TODAYS WORKPLACE.
chocolateflash Champion Author San Diego Posts:14,824 Points:2,712,785 Joined:Apr 2005	Message Posted: Jan 29, 2010 11:32:05 PM Ignore chocolateflash Report Abuse As a former teacher it scares me how much our children do not know as they graduate high school. Two more years in the JC system might help but children today will definitely benefit from military experience. Draft should be instituted.
NanookAK Champion Author Anchorage Posts:7,413 Points:1,467,740 Joined:Nov 2007	Message Posted: Jan 16, 2010 1:57:01 PM Ignore NanookAK Report Abuse Not any more, but it will help a little.
TAT36 Champion Author Florida Posts:6,944 Points:1,329,225 Joined:Sep 2009	Message Posted: Jan 12, 2010 8:52:07 PM Ignore TAT36 Report Abuse Schooling seems to be less effective as time goes by. My father who had only an eight grade education (in most places at that time it was all that was available) could do math in his head I had problems with in writing after I graduated from high school 55 years ago. My children and their friends with four years of college have no grasp oh how to do a lot of simple every day problems that are just common sense. Seems as though in a few years the average problem solver will be just finishing their education in their early 30's. Is it something about desire and responsibility that is lacking or not being taught?