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New battery could steer China into lead in electric-car mark

The Vancouver Sun -- However, it's the battery in the E6 that is causing the buzz in the decidedly dejected auto industry. Instead of being made with lithium ion -- which is expensive, increasingly hard to come by, environmentally unfriendly, and potentially dangerous in a crash -- BYD has devised a battery that uses ferrous ion, which is cheap, plentiful and green. If it turns out to be as functional as the Chinese company claims, it could be the breakthrough to bring electric cars into the mainstream.
Warren Buffett thinks it is. The American financier invested $230 million in BYD last year.
BYD -- the Pinyin initials for its Chinese name, but now the company says they also stand for its motto, Build Your Dreams -- boasts the best-selling gas-guzzling sedan in the China market and is making inroads with the

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indyjim Champion Author Indianapolis Posts:4,742 Points:1,345,670 Joined:Jul 2006	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 10:30:14 AM Ignore indyjim Report Abuse Whatever works.
HybridPete Champion Author Detroit Posts:4,542 Points:890,020 Joined:Jan 2008	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 10:30:04 AM Ignore HybridPete Report Abuse Could be a good move in a green direction and an upgrade for already green vehicles.
whitemiata Champion Author Albany Posts:7,579 Points:1,653,700 Joined:Mar 2005	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 10:30:02 AM Ignore whitemiata Report Abuse very interesting....
Buck_on_Bass Champion Author Tennessee Posts:2,776 Points:595,780 Joined:Jul 2007	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 10:29:01 AM Ignore Buck_on_Bass Report Abuse It would be interesting to see where the technology is 21 months after this article was written.
Hugo40 Champion Author Kentucky Posts:2,723 Points:647,010 Joined:Aug 2008	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 10:28:16 AM Ignore Hugo40 Report Abuse China is a very large market and they can afford to tinker with things because they have a lot of our money through the import-export gap.
maske_2222 Champion Author Manitoba Posts:3,103 Points:643,140 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 10:24:36 AM Ignore maske_2222 Report Abuse interesting...
sjl08203 Champion Author New Jersey Posts:4,064 Points:970,315 Joined:Aug 2005	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 10:24:08 AM Ignore sjl08203 Report Abuse Can't we keep any tecnology here?
Lizzylou Champion Author Stockton Posts:4,514 Points:1,499,880 Joined:Oct 2005	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 10:23:15 AM Ignore Lizzylou Report Abuse If Warren Buffett is putting his money into it must be a good thing.
Jumpmaster82 Sophomore Author South Carolina Posts:134 Points:156,410 Joined:Nov 2008	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 10:20:45 AM Ignore Jumpmaster82 Report Abuse thanks to our congress, China is gonna kick our butts in everything! as soon as we attempt to produce batteries the enviro-nuts will sue to shut them down
Jetta_Pilot Champion Author Toronto Posts:3,973 Points:568,590 Joined:May 2005	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 10:19:55 AM Ignore Jetta_Pilot Report Abuse The rest of the world has been using/driving smaller more fuel efficient vehicles for decades. You are your own problem by only buying the gas guzzling crap that GM, Ford and Chrysler was selling you and refusing to downsize.
CSharpGuy Champion Author Colorado Springs Posts:4,544 Points:922,635 Joined:Jan 2008	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 10:19:53 AM Ignore CSharpGuy Report Abuse Where is American ingenuity?
Cruiser340 Champion Author Grand Rapids Posts:7,509 Points:1,813,035 Joined:May 2004	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 10:19:39 AM Ignore Cruiser340 Report Abuse Why is China the first to come up with this? Where are the north american folks?
honda0105 Champion Author Tallahassee Posts:10,709 Points:627,400 Joined:Nov 2008	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 10:17:30 AM Ignore honda0105 Report Abuse PizzaMon: you're right on target. Develop the best and work from there.
honda0105 Champion Author Tallahassee Posts:10,709 Points:627,400 Joined:Nov 2008	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 10:17:01 AM Ignore honda0105 Report Abuse when we get to where Americans are willing to re-invest in their future, we'll be competitive again. Right now we're going down a path of complacency and hedoism. And the way of the road? Down, down, down and down.
PizzaMon Champion Author Philadelphia Posts:2,183 Points:953,110 Joined:Jun 2006	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 10:16:14 AM Ignore PizzaMon Report Abuse Let's develop whichever is the better technology.
honda0105 Champion Author Tallahassee Posts:10,709 Points:627,400 Joined:Nov 2008	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 10:15:57 AM Ignore honda0105 Report Abuse AC-302: you're right. China is not going to sit idle. They are doing what the US fails to do: bring up scientists who think outside the box. Too bad that most college kids in the US want the easy way out and therefore pick subjects that are simple, easy and where they get A's without much work.
Skip928 Champion Author Arizona Posts:1,833 Points:688,185 Joined:Mar 2008	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 10:15:52 AM Ignore Skip928 Report Abuse I'll judge it for myself, don't care what Buffet or Warren or the Pope say about it.
murdershewrote Champion Author Riverside Posts:4,617 Points:1,630,285 Joined:Mar 2005	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 10:15:42 AM Ignore murdershewrote Report Abuse happy 4th all
snell snail Champion Author Atlanta Posts:1,878 Points:1,687,595 Joined:Feb 2004	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 10:14:33 AM Ignore snell snail Report Abuse ...if it's good for Buffet...it's good for me....
Tonester1 Champion Author New Jersey Posts:7,632 Points:1,364,170 Joined:Oct 2006	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 10:14:32 AM Ignore Tonester1 Report Abuse Good.
honda0105 Champion Author Tallahassee Posts:10,709 Points:627,400 Joined:Nov 2008	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 10:13:54 AM Ignore honda0105 Report Abuse If Warren thinks it's a good deal, well, he's got the money to invest. I'll sit back and wait for a little longer..
honda0105 Champion Author Tallahassee Posts:10,709 Points:627,400 Joined:Nov 2008	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 10:13:20 AM Ignore honda0105 Report Abuse let's wait and see if it works.
bluenvoy Champion Author Nashville Posts:7,799 Points:1,088,765 Joined:Oct 2005	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 10:11:59 AM Ignore bluenvoy Report Abuse It's still a ways off for mass production. Long term testing is needed for to predict life cycle in hot, cold, hilly and flat areas.
freedom2831 Rookie Author Seattle Posts:37 Points:353,690 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 10:11:31 AM Ignore freedom2831 Report Abuse Just what we need...another product from China!
RedRam2005 Champion Author San Antonio Posts:3,544 Points:600,525 Joined:Dec 2007	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 10:08:51 AM Ignore RedRam2005 Report Abuse Another American trying to lead America into the third world.
FordGuy48 Champion Author Albuquerque Posts:1,216 Points:469,190 Joined:Jul 2005	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 10:07:54 AM Ignore FordGuy48 Report Abuse BYD, sounds like underwear...........
biza4u Champion Author New Haven Posts:3,596 Points:654,480 Joined:Jan 2007	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 10:07:39 AM Ignore biza4u Report Abuse I think you need some extensive tested to see how it will last within the elements of high heat and cold
banddaddy Sophomore Author Raleigh Posts:119 Points:626,030 Joined:Nov 2006	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 10:07:39 AM Ignore banddaddy Report Abuse I'll believe it when I see it. The battery has always been, and will likely be, the bane of all electric vehicles.
NJColt Champion Author New Jersey Posts:7,830 Points:1,669,555 Joined:Aug 2005	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 10:06:44 AM Ignore NJColt Report Abuse Like to see the prices
bbreff Champion Author Atlanta Posts:5,154 Points:1,634,370 Joined:Jun 2005	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 10:05:42 AM Ignore bbreff Report Abuse Let's see how it works after 5 years.
EXTREMESNOW Champion Author Medford Posts:4,500 Points:947,785 Joined:Jul 2006	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 10:05:20 AM Ignore EXTREMESNOW Report Abuse Are you telling me there is an American with $230 million to invest, where is Obama, he might want to redistribute it to everyone including illegal aliens.. No wonder he inveted in a foreign company.
purplebears Champion Author Milwaukee Posts:3,006 Points:452,200 Joined:May 2009	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 10:05:10 AM Ignore purplebears Report Abuse I agree AC-302. China's big cities need to create non-polluting vehicles as amany have smog worse than L.A. Another reason they will succeed is that the people work for the betterment of the entire population, not just special lobby groups or those looking to file lawsuits.
915Chief Champion Author San Diego Posts:3,620 Points:710,825 Joined:Aug 2008	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 10:02:46 AM Ignore 915Chief Report Abuse I'll believe it when I see it...
yukonjack Champion Author Georgia Posts:4,384 Points:1,138,295 Joined:Oct 2004	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 10:02:37 AM Ignore yukonjack Report Abuse Let's see. You need more electricity to charge these things up. That means burning more coal, which means yet more pollution. Who wins here?
cssco Champion Author Virginia Posts:2,285 Points:781,825 Joined:Feb 2006	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 10:01:24 AM Ignore cssco Report Abuse Bad link!
AC-302 Champion Author Los Angeles Posts:14,826 Points:1,942,710 Joined:Aug 2004	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 9:57:43 AM Ignore AC-302 Report Abuse The ferrous ion battery instead of the litium ion battery is all well and good. Great! But does it have the power density necessary to take a car 100+ miles on a charge? That's the key. And no, it's unwise to underestimate China. Their government has undertaken a program to train more scientists and engineers. Instead of being producers of other's designs, they want to start innovating and inventing for themselves. They're neither stupid, nor backwards. They'll succeed at it, too. And they're not hampered by environmental or social "do gooders" either. Eventually they'll eat our lunch!
Number43 Champion Author Lexington Posts:3,492 Points:676,175 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 9:57:11 AM Ignore Number43 Report Abuse Maybe then they will stop polluting.
Don20 Champion Author Oklahoma City Posts:4,724 Points:1,643,825 Joined:Mar 2005	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 9:57:06 AM Ignore Don20 Report Abuse I don't have the money to invest, probably would not anyway. Don't believe anything China does until I see it work.
akeatts Champion Author Tennessee Posts:1,343 Points:271,000 Joined:Aug 2008	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 9:56:37 AM Ignore akeatts Report Abuse It is a shame that we don't have similar forward thinking industry in the USA. I hope it proves successful.
Grismer Champion Author Kitchener-Waterloo Posts:3,687 Points:762,665 Joined:Apr 2008	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 9:56:33 AM Ignore Grismer Report Abuse China knows that the EV (electric vehicle) is critical to reducing oil dependence. While America spends mult-billons on saving obsolete automakers, China is seeking and spending billions to rapidly create innovative companies that have a chance at future survival. We need to get with this forward looking mind-set.
RoadhogMA Champion Author Boston Posts:2,064 Points:471,650 Joined:Dec 2008	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 9:55:28 AM Ignore RoadhogMA Report Abuse Lets wait and see.
erfstruck Sophomore Author Grand Rapids Posts:206 Points:872,695 Joined:Jul 2006	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 9:54:23 AM Ignore erfstruck Report Abuse every thing is environmentally friendly in other county they don't care about people
Mooseman1 Champion Author Manitoba Posts:5,530 Points:929,670 Joined:Jul 2007	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 9:53:48 AM Ignore Mooseman1 Report Abuse There could be spin-off applications from this technology.
baitmn Champion Author New Orleans Posts:3,993 Points:1,126,000 Joined:Sep 2006	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 9:53:37 AM Ignore baitmn Report Abuse Mr Buff is behind this, he want profit on his investment returns
zornave Champion Author Louisville Posts:13,887 Points:2,204,540 Joined:Jul 2001	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 9:53:31 AM Ignore zornave Report Abuse Oh, good. Something else to import from China.
macbeth2012 Champion Author Wisconsin Posts:1,783 Points:336,985 Joined:Jan 2009	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 9:52:59 AM Ignore macbeth2012 Report Abuse We, the world, needs a breakthrough
Tatalah Champion Author Riverside Posts:5,721 Points:1,498,410 Joined:May 2003	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 9:52:22 AM Ignore Tatalah Report Abuse Electricity=The alternative that will keep us dependant on oil till we buy it all.
Jamer Champion Author Orange County Posts:3,962 Points:696,525 Joined:Jul 2002	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 9:52:14 AM Ignore Jamer Report Abuse Lets see, first China poisons our pets by by tainted pet food. Then China poisons our children by using lead based paints on children toys. Now China wants to make car batteries. Would you really trust China at this point?
dondee118 Champion Author Kansas City Posts:3,988 Points:742,190 Joined:Aug 2008	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 9:51:47 AM Ignore dondee118 Report Abuse Sad to say, this company from this communist country got it before the auto companies in this free country did. Got private investors involved instead of begging to the government.
SSchmidty Champion Author Illinois Posts:4,311 Points:815,365 Joined:Mar 2008	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 9:51:43 AM Ignore SSchmidty Report Abuse Not a big surprise ... a 15-16 year old firm WITHOUT lots of expensive mfging equip BUT 10,000 well educated engineers comes through with a breakthrough ... AND they have the political will to NOT knuckle-under to pig-oil and friends!!!!
Cuzilla Champion Author Indianapolis Posts:8,798 Points:1,546,540 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 9:51:38 AM Ignore Cuzilla Report Abuse 1. The link to the article does not work. 2. The "ferrous ion" is nothing new. I refer the reader to the Edison Cell battery of over 100 years ago! There are other types of Ferrous cell reactions but thye main problem of all batteries is weight.
rvn4me Champion Author Texas Posts:1,872 Points:550,935 Joined:Jan 2009	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 9:50:14 AM Ignore rvn4me Report Abuse They have to be worried about the cost because they sure arent worried about the environment.