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Exxon, Valero Face New Curbs on Cancer-Causing Gases (Update

Bloomberg.com -- July 2 (Bloomberg) -- President Barack Obama is considering new curbs on U.S. oil refineries whose gas emissions pose a cancer risk to hundreds of thousands of people living near the plants, setting up a potential conflict with companies over the cost of new regulations.
Benzene from turning crude oil into gasoline can cause leukemia, said Philip Landrigan, head of community and preventive medicine at the Mount Sinai School of Medicine in New York. “Studies show excess rates of leukemia and related blood cancers in people, especially children, who live in communities adjacent to these refineries.”

Some of the same companies operate refineries in Europe with lower emissions than at their sites in the U.S. ...innovative technologies used by the same companies in refineries in Europe

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Submitted Jul 04, 2009 By: teafortwo

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altonb1 Champion Author Pennsylvania Posts:3,480 Points:401,460 Joined:Jul 2005	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 1:18:11 AM Ignore altonb1 Report Abuse I understand the need for public safety regarding health concerns, but it sure seems like the timing is suspect, and the costs will most definitely passed along ten-fold to the consumers.
tomok Champion Author Portland Posts:14,876 Points:1,081,160 Joined:Aug 2006	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 1:14:45 AM Ignore tomok Report Abuse Curb your emissions oil refineries. Danger zone!
la90042 Champion Author Los Angeles Posts:1,677 Points:336,285 Joined:Nov 2008	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 1:09:57 AM Ignore la90042 Report Abuse they already have the technology make them use it now.
philthethrill Champion Author Hamilton Posts:1,753 Points:359,415 Joined:Nov 2008	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 1:08:13 AM Ignore philthethrill Report Abuse sure looks like the same article as yesterday
WIPACKERFAN Champion Author Chicago Posts:2,533 Points:596,760 Joined:Aug 2005	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 1:07:26 AM Ignore WIPACKERFAN Report Abuse RCinNM, I agree with you.
gass12 Champion Author Omaha Posts:2,146 Points:1,056,585 Joined:Oct 2005	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 12:57:33 AM Ignore gass12 Report Abuse This should be called the Danger Zone and not the Hot Zone.
RCinNM Champion Author New Mexico Posts:6,102 Points:856,560 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 12:55:36 AM Ignore RCinNM Report Abuse This will only cause the oil industry to raise prices, again.
djoumy All-Star Author New York Posts:756 Points:354,630 Joined:Sep 2008	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 12:54:15 AM Ignore djoumy Report Abuse the fair play is looking new tech for less emmisions.
sammy09 Veteran Author Twin Cities Posts:270 Points:169,300 Joined:May 2009	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 12:51:00 AM Ignore sammy09 Report Abuse cost of producing oil can be unhealthy at times
NHLiveFree Champion Author New Hampshire Posts:2,427 Points:385,450 Joined:Jun 2008	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 12:44:31 AM Ignore NHLiveFree Report Abuse Hope you live downwind from one of the noted refineries Z51. Then you will get more than just empirical date on this serious helth threat! See how easy it will be to sell your home and just move further away from the hot zone.
BKool Champion Author Michigan Posts:1,524 Points:1,159,245 Joined:Aug 2005	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 12:44:10 AM Ignore BKool Report Abuse Our President is leading the charge in the Anti-Industrial Revolution. Anarchy is the end result with the power addicts in D.C. running for cover and no one to rule over.
Gary65 Veteran Author Toronto Posts:330 Points:202,800 Joined:Jan 2009	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 12:43:25 AM Ignore Gary65 Report Abuse Nothing new in this news story, naturally Benzene from turning crude oil into gasoline can cause leukemia. Go look at the lack of standards in India for example and the incidence of cancer etc. in the adjacent population.
Z51Corvette Champion Author Austin Posts:3,024 Points:584,080 Joined:Jan 2008	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 12:37:15 AM Ignore Z51Corvette Report Abuse I need more empirical data than just comments made by the President and Phillip Landrigan. If there is data that supports this, then move the people to a safer area, until measures can be taken to make things safer.
twomikea Champion Author Fort Worth Posts:1,292 Points:310,655 Joined:Nov 2008	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 12:36:53 AM Ignore twomikea Report Abuse another reason to drive up price
TommyTraveler Champion Author Cincinnati Posts:2,232 Points:435,100 Joined:Nov 2007	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 12:32:30 AM Ignore TommyTraveler Report Abuse Destroy the industrial base of the US and create a one world government for the elite. They will fail and be dealt with accordingly.
Blue_Cruzer Champion Author Lexington Posts:1,590 Points:493,460 Joined:Mar 2007	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 12:31:11 AM Ignore Blue_Cruzer Report Abuse If they can do it in europe, why not here in the USA.
RogerB Champion Author Indianapolis Posts:10,318 Points:1,372,690 Joined:Dec 2005	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 12:27:10 AM Ignore RogerB Report Abuse Great - now we force the remaining refineries in this country to move to other countries.
pgerassi Champion Author Milwaukee Posts:4,411 Points:890,785 Joined:Apr 2007	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 12:26:59 AM Ignore pgerassi Report Abuse Obama wants it both ways. The typical way to get rid of this stuff was to burn it at very hot temperatures. But that boosts global warming gas emissions. So the refinery gets hit both ways. Either it collects these harmful byproducts and stores them forever or it burns them up and gets hit for that too.
Night Owl Champion Author Toronto Posts:1,283 Points:550,065 Joined:Jul 2004	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 12:19:52 AM Ignore Night Owl Report Abuse Stick it to the oil companies.
72_Monte Champion Author Twin Cities Posts:1,287 Points:739,380 Joined:Aug 2005	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 12:18:52 AM Ignore 72_Monte Report Abuse They can pay for them WITH THE HUGE PROFITS THEY'VE SUCKED FROM OUR POCKETS over the last year or so. Tough sh*t.
ricker8 Champion Author Ontario Posts:1,431 Points:278,110 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 12:18:16 AM Ignore ricker8 Report Abuse Sounds like Obama is picking up the pieces again from the past governments that dropped everything and hid the truth and did little for the people!
greatscot08 All-Star Author Columbus Posts:750 Points:152,850 Joined:Jun 2008	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 12:17:53 AM Ignore greatscot08 Report Abuse It probably would be cheaper to pay to move the people away from the refineries rather than have one of Obama's government programs.....paid, of course, by the taxpayers (as in you and me)!!!!!!
altima2008 Champion Author Philadelphia Posts:1,797 Points:481,505 Joined:Apr 2008	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 12:14:26 AM Ignore altima2008 Report Abuse Hasn't nobama learned that we can't rob peter to pay paul anymore cause peter has no money left to take!!!!
CobraLeader Champion Author New Jersey Posts:156,158 Points:848,750 Joined:Apr 2007	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 12:13:22 AM Ignore CobraLeader Report Abuse Why don't we know where these are?
unicornpmb Champion Author Buffalo Posts:2,090 Points:365,390 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 12:12:08 AM Ignore unicornpmb Report Abuse Sounds like something that should not be happening anyways.
Bigwaynef Champion Author South Carolina Posts:2,483 Points:839,400 Joined:Dec 2006	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 12:10:35 AM Ignore Bigwaynef Report Abuse Somethings bad wrong if this deals with Obama and the EPA..
jjw0608 Champion Author Milwaukee Posts:2,221 Points:771,040 Joined:Nov 2005	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 12:09:43 AM Ignore jjw0608 Report Abuse Seems like everything causes something.
BWD All-Star Author Charleston Posts:979 Points:1,333,045 Joined:May 2004	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 12:06:53 AM Ignore BWD Report Abuse OMG!! Just getting up in the morning causes cancer!
PioneerUrban Champion Author West Virginia Posts:2,462 Points:485,130 Joined:Jun 2008	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 12:05:43 AM Ignore PioneerUrban Report Abuse All they need is a thermal oxidizer to burn the emissions.
muchdutch Sophomore Author Wisconsin Posts:228 Points:361,065 Joined:Jul 2008	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 12:03:38 AM Ignore muchdutch Report Abuse While I'm all for cleaning up these plants, how fast does the President expect this to go and at what cost?
gg42210 Champion Author Kentucky Posts:1,899 Points:332,970 Joined:Aug 2008	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 11:59:15 PM Ignore gg42210 Report Abuse at what cost to us.
Jarod13 Champion Author Virginia Posts:1,662 Points:368,110 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 11:56:10 PM Ignore Jarod13 Report Abuse okay!
Muke Champion Author Virginia Beach Posts:2,464 Points:635,125 Joined:Jun 2007	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 11:55:36 PM Ignore Muke Report Abuse o.k.
CC55 Veteran Author Georgia Posts:256 Points:705,695 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 11:51:37 PM Ignore CC55 Report Abuse Some people on this board have an answer for all seasons,when we talk about health problems they want to drill. Drilling is not the answer.Europe has seen the problem.
donny47 Sophomore Author New Hampshire Posts:174 Points:152,575 Joined:Feb 2009	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 11:50:13 PM Ignore donny47 Report Abuse they should use the european technology.
GPRS08 Sophomore Author Maryland Posts:213 Points:402,340 Joined:May 2008	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 11:49:22 PM Ignore GPRS08 Report Abuse Safety first - many other industries have and practice safety rules - so can the oil industries without having to rob the consumers.
Prodaddy Champion Author Houston Posts:3,006 Points:753,960 Joined:May 2007	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 11:48:39 PM Ignore Prodaddy Report Abuse i agree Tom11793
tom11743 Champion Author North Carolina Posts:1,303 Points:327,630 Joined:May 2005	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 11:42:29 PM Ignore tom11743 Report Abuse Another chance to increase prices.
pliskin Champion Author Syracuse Posts:2,039 Points:702,185 Joined:Apr 2005	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 11:42:22 PM Ignore pliskin Report Abuse More Obama EPA controls, higher prices! Imagine that! I just can't cut the President a break giving what him and Congress have spent, of our money, to help us and things keep getting worse. He has the nerve to put his face on tv everyday and say how things are improving slow but sure. He can't name anywhere and can't give us the same story 2 days in a row. Elkhart, In., a city he visited several times and he said it would be when he got into office, and he afterward, is now dead in the water. It has one of the highest unemployment totals in the US. [Edited by: pliskin at 7/4/2009 11:47:43 PM EST]
HEBster Champion Author Kentucky Posts:2,566 Points:1,126,845 Joined:May 2006	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 11:41:34 PM Ignore HEBster Report Abuse No more government controls...more R & D!!!
WCCurtis Champion Author San Bernardino Posts:1,648 Points:638,420 Joined:Oct 2005	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 11:40:49 PM Ignore WCCurtis Report Abuse Just another way for the poor to get poorer.
gilfarm All-Star Author Alabama Posts:837 Points:751,030 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 11:40:06 PM Ignore gilfarm Report Abuse They should act responsibility without being forced.
Romey08 All-Star Author Virginia Posts:604 Points:306,330 Joined:Apr 2008	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 11:38:59 PM Ignore Romey08 Report Abuse Not good, need to move to alternate energy sources asap
kbierley Champion Author Dayton Posts:6,648 Points:818,670 Joined:Nov 2003	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 11:35:08 PM Ignore kbierley Report Abuse Drill for More American Oil, NOW!
TFowler513 Champion Author Memphis Posts:1,185 Points:330,960 Joined:Mar 2008	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 11:32:01 PM Ignore TFowler513 Report Abuse Just another reason we need to quickly move to clean, renewable free energy such as solar, wind and hydro!!!
mfeldstein Champion Author Ottawa Posts:2,294 Points:771,980 Joined:Feb 2007	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 11:23:15 PM Ignore mfeldstein Report Abuse There's evil lurking in every facet of oil extraction and production.
able2ru All-Star Author Little Rock Posts:826 Points:292,155 Joined:Mar 2005	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 11:21:25 PM Ignore able2ru Report Abuse the usa leads the world at being on the bottom
fairchildd Champion Author Kansas City Posts:2,626 Points:700,255 Joined:Aug 2007	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 11:20:14 PM Ignore fairchildd Report Abuse so we'll end up buying more gas from the refineries outside the US that won't be under these restrictions
SeaJay87 Rookie Author Tucson Posts:2 Points:2,840 Joined:Jul 2009	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 11:11:55 PM Ignore SeaJay87 Report Abuse Interesting...
tallyankee Veteran Author Maryland Posts:258 Points:102,620 Joined:Nov 2005	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 11:06:38 PM Ignore tallyankee Report Abuse Oil companies will just pass the upgrade cost on to the consumer.
TomT2Lee Champion Author Cincinnati Posts:2,634 Points:915,825 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 11:03:13 PM Ignore TomT2Lee Report Abuse I'm sure the chemicals and process are bad for a persons health. I am also sure that it will cost more at the pump to resolve it. Are you willing to pay a lot more?
Kamakani Champion Author Hawaii Posts:1,140 Points:316,405 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 11:01:15 PM Ignore Kamakani Report Abuse I wouldn't want to live near one even if this is a bunch of BS.