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Questions grow over oil spike brokerage

FT.Com -- The boss of Steve Perkins, the broker at the heart of a rogue trading scandal that rocked oil markets this week, issued a bullish report suggesting prices could go higher only hours after Mr Perkins made the unauthorised trades that caused prices to spike.
The disclosure raises further questions about internal controls at PVM Oil Associates, the world’s largest oil brokerage. The London-based firm, which revealed on Thursday it had lost $10m (€7.1m, £6.1m) as a result of trades by Mr Perkins, one of its senior brokers, said the trading report was sent to clients at 08.44 in London on Tuesday, and it did not discover the rogue trading until 10.10 that morning.

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Submitted Jul 04, 2009 By: clement007

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hauler43 Champion Author Oakland Posts:4,804 Points:1,852,555 Joined:Sep 2003	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 9:53:52 AM Ignore hauler43 Report Abuse Mr.Perkins did a no no. Some folks will take advantage of the power given to them and use it too no good.
rtw777 Champion Author Florida Posts:4,394 Points:860,950 Joined:Jan 2008	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 9:50:58 AM Ignore rtw777 Report Abuse A bunch of crap.
w4kh Champion Author Riverside Posts:6,851 Points:1,273,495 Joined:May 2004	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 9:50:49 AM Ignore w4kh Report Abuse Manipulating the futures prices of crude oil has virtually no impact on pump prices for gasoline and diesel...
GassyKat Champion Author Wisconsin Posts:7,724 Points:1,536,170 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 9:48:03 AM Ignore GassyKat Report Abuse How many companies have an extradition agreement with the UK? If he does bad things to the global oil price, send him around the globe to "discuss it." First place, Singapore.
jjw0608 Champion Author Milwaukee Posts:3,367 Points:999,345 Joined:Nov 2005	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 9:45:35 AM Ignore jjw0608 Report Abuse I need a boss like that.
rvn4me Champion Author Texas Posts:1,872 Points:550,935 Joined:Jan 2009	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 9:45:32 AM Ignore rvn4me Report Abuse Sounds like they are playing with fire.
MightyDude Champion Author Minnesota Posts:5,325 Points:1,669,595 Joined:Mar 2003	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 9:37:38 AM Ignore MightyDude Report Abuse open season...
RoadhogMA Champion Author Boston Posts:2,064 Points:471,650 Joined:Dec 2008	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 9:36:28 AM Ignore RoadhogMA Report Abuse Cant believe them
VetteBlue Champion Author San Jose Posts:5,471 Points:1,118,560 Joined:Jan 2007	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 9:36:04 AM Ignore VetteBlue Report Abuse Good that the speculators get burned once in a while. They have done it to us enough.
yukonjack Champion Author Georgia Posts:4,384 Points:1,138,295 Joined:Oct 2004	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 9:36:03 AM Ignore yukonjack Report Abuse One person did all this? Just think what would happen if two persons were acting in concert. And people say speculators don't affect oil prices.
mysub Champion Author Las Vegas Posts:4,293 Points:1,361,465 Joined:Apr 2006	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 9:35:15 AM Ignore mysub Report Abuse I have to agree with repeater1
arnerator Champion Author Seattle Posts:3,222 Points:651,185 Joined:Sep 2008	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 9:34:42 AM Ignore arnerator Report Abuse Rip off artists
kjuzenas Veteran Author Nebraska Posts:278 Points:74,645 Joined:Jul 2008	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 9:33:11 AM Ignore kjuzenas Report Abuse Gosh, I'm glad our markets aren't driven by greed...
Badmoon Champion Author Massachusetts Posts:3,331 Points:673,015 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 9:32:30 AM Ignore Badmoon Report Abuse Looking for a quick score.
GasholeMI Champion Author Lansing Posts:5,274 Points:757,565 Joined:Jul 2008	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 9:29:29 AM Ignore GasholeMI Report Abuse Maybe we should have Mooneys look into this. They are the people who rated the CDO's at AAA and in tandem with Fannie Mae started the real estate tumble. No one has even suggested that they be investigated.
ljmatney Champion Author Wichita Posts:4,024 Points:565,120 Joined:Jul 2008	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 9:28:26 AM Ignore ljmatney Report Abuse There are spoilers in every industry. We have to be vigilant and keep trying to flush them out.
bikechuck Champion Author Indianapolis Posts:2,011 Points:1,082,170 Joined:Apr 2006	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 9:27:25 AM Ignore bikechuck Report Abuse I detest the money manipulators who are after prifits and not producing anything worthwhile. Their has to be a way to control this form of 'robbery', it costs everyone.
hybridaholic Champion Author Wisconsin Posts:3,322 Points:588,910 Joined:Dec 2008	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 9:26:32 AM Ignore hybridaholic Report Abuse Now you know why we are paying so much for the oil and the end product, gas
repeater1 Champion Author Kansas Posts:3,431 Points:1,399,370 Joined:Oct 2005	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 9:25:45 AM Ignore repeater1 Report Abuse The speculators will do anything they can to drive the price up. Lying and cheating is just at the top of the list.
Ringmaster2008 Champion Author Ontario Posts:2,922 Points:499,185 Joined:Apr 2008	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 9:23:41 AM Ignore Ringmaster2008 Report Abuse I agree with BBHybrid
ghmortensen Veteran Author Minnesota Posts:419 Points:854,235 Joined:Jan 2007	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 9:20:58 AM Ignore ghmortensen Report Abuse Are there no controls on thia type of trading?
6642337 Champion Author Illinois Posts:22,091 Points:937,490 Joined:Jun 2006	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 9:20:58 AM Ignore 6642337 Report Abuse Sounds like greed kicking in again
BBHybrid Champion Author Pittsburgh Posts:2,618 Points:527,480 Joined:Aug 2008	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 9:20:38 AM Ignore BBHybrid Report Abuse down with the traders. trying to inflate prices for profits for the rich
Rick01 Champion Author Utah Posts:4,010 Points:1,408,890 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 9:20:27 AM Ignore Rick01 Report Abuse How can add to what has been said??!! Something has got to change.
fltdoc Champion Author Oklahoma Posts:3,455 Points:600,940 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 9:19:40 AM Ignore fltdoc Report Abuse Sounds like a bunch of traders attempting to manipulate prices to their advantage.
ladyjj Champion Author Tennessee Posts:14,875 Points:427,710 Joined:Apr 2008	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 9:18:43 AM Ignore ladyjj Report Abuse They need to be rounded up and taken to a leper colony!
Terrapinone Champion Author Baltimore Posts:2,764 Points:1,136,555 Joined:May 2004	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 9:16:46 AM Ignore Terrapinone Report Abuse They're all a bunch of thieves in my mind.
Mooseman1 Champion Author Manitoba Posts:5,530 Points:929,670 Joined:Jul 2007	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 9:13:35 AM Ignore Mooseman1 Report Abuse I don't trust any of them anymore.
kruk Champion Author London Posts:2,843 Points:332,715 Joined:Jan 2007	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 9:13:06 AM Ignore kruk Report Abuse Wall Street is full of speculators
Lukus Champion Author Halifax Posts:3,479 Points:707,290 Joined:Nov 2007	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 9:12:57 AM Ignore Lukus Report Abuse Time to go back to some hard labour prisons.
car253 Champion Author Ohio Posts:2,002 Points:543,875 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 9:12:51 AM Ignore car253 Report Abuse He should be prosecuted.
reb4 Champion Author Chicago Posts:7,489 Points:842,345 Joined:Sep 2004	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 9:12:46 AM Ignore reb4 Report Abuse He knew... they all know what they are doing... They aren't stupid, just us consumers and our law makers who allow the stealing of money in the name of commerce and free enterprise...
Jamer Champion Author Orange County Posts:3,962 Points:696,525 Joined:Jul 2002	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 9:12:22 AM Ignore Jamer Report Abuse I agree, he should share a cell with Bernie Madoff.
dhawk24 Champion Author Maine Posts:3,043 Points:670,405 Joined:Jul 2008	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 9:10:40 AM Ignore dhawk24 Report Abuse He should be a bunk mate of Bernie Madoff...
Wolfwings Champion Author Delaware Posts:3,906 Points:813,805 Joined:May 2004	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 9:09:57 AM Ignore Wolfwings Report Abuse Hopefull, this "trader" (traitor) will be chastised. Considering the $10M loss, I should thing he should be removed from ANY JOB that might consist of handling money.
03mdx Champion Author Syracuse Posts:1,953 Points:622,745 Joined:Sep 2008	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 9:07:15 AM Ignore 03mdx Report Abuse Speculators should be thrown off the planet.
DABEE1073 Champion Author San Diego Posts:2,968 Points:593,760 Joined:Jun 2008	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 9:05:49 AM Ignore DABEE1073 Report Abuse TAKE EM OUT AND STRING EM UP.
PaylessKY Champion Author Kentucky Posts:3,570 Points:660,605 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 9:04:48 AM Ignore PaylessKY Report Abuse Only time will tell.
techque Champion Author St. Louis Posts:3,867 Points:1,520,565 Joined:Apr 2005	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 9:04:43 AM Ignore techque Report Abuse you realize that the traders and speculators are actually admitting that they can and do influence oil prices !@!
goldilox88 Champion Author Montreal Posts:2,233 Points:620,580 Joined:Jun 2008	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 9:04:35 AM Ignore goldilox88 Report Abuse the price is definitely driven by the stock market.
OleMiss79 Champion Author Fort Worth Posts:6,639 Points:722,340 Joined:May 2008	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 9:04:35 AM Ignore OleMiss79 Report Abuse Just goes to show that speculators are bad for the working people of this country -- even foreign speculators impact us. [Edited by: OleMiss79 at 7/5/2009 9:05:59 AM EST]
Marson Champion Author Scranton Posts:4,364 Points:1,141,795 Joined:Oct 2006	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 9:03:48 AM Ignore Marson Report Abuse Just proves that speculators run the market, not suppliers and consumers.
AuburnTim Champion Author Indiana Posts:3,497 Points:817,500 Joined:May 2005	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 9:01:43 AM Ignore AuburnTim Report Abuse They can't ever find wrongdoing when they investigate big oil or related markets? Just shows you how blind our government is and uncaring they are when it comes to doing things for THE PEOPLE. This person or persons should all be in jail and never be able to trade again. You know if we did it we would surely be doing jail time.
pricechecker08 Champion Author Ohio Posts:4,087 Points:833,365 Joined:Jan 2008	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 9:01:25 AM Ignore pricechecker08 Report Abuse One day up - Next down down They don,t know what there talking about!
BartBuzz Champion Author Atlanta Posts:3,913 Points:805,035 Joined:Aug 2006	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 9:01:17 AM Ignore BartBuzz Report Abuse Is anyone out there surprised? Greed is worse than drug addiction.
lindact Champion Author New Haven Posts:3,994 Points:784,165 Joined:May 2008	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 8:58:26 AM Ignore lindact Report Abuse And the punishment for this is?....
ttwiw Champion Author Austin Posts:1,984 Points:913,920 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 8:56:05 AM Ignore ttwiw Report Abuse What a bunch of idiots
Bleeder Champion Author Virginia Posts:3,906 Points:813,730 Joined:Jan 2008	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 8:55:31 AM Ignore Bleeder Report Abuse We (the US government) put these rules in place and now we (the people/taxpayer) are pay the price for it.
AZMandM Champion Author Phoenix Posts:6,766 Points:1,195,090 Joined:Feb 2006	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 8:49:11 AM Ignore AZMandM Report Abuse Not exactly a Ponzi scheme, but just as damaging. Jail time would be good.
bicycler Champion Author Ontario Posts:9,709 Points:1,699,985 Joined:May 2005	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 8:48:50 AM Ignore bicycler Report Abuse 1- Get Perkins out of the business! 2- At least suspend the company he works with and levy a large fine on them! 3- Institute stiff controls on specdevils!!!!
Lengas Champion Author Gary Posts:8,365 Points:1,737,125 Joined:Nov 2004	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 8:47:37 AM Ignore Lengas Report Abuse yo yo effect
KillChain Champion Author Albuquerque Posts:2,234 Points:598,600 Joined:Jun 2006	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 8:47:11 AM Ignore KillChain Report Abuse Hang him high!