Not Logged In Log In   Sign Up   Points Leaders
Follow Us    9:45 PM

GasBuddy News Article

58
votes
Cali Bullet Train Breaking the Rules, Losing Big Supporters

Curbed L.A. -- All is not well in California high-speed rail land--some of the project's earliest backers have turned against the project, saying that concessions that have been made not only violate voter-imposed requirements on the project's funding, but have meanwhile taken the "high speed" out of high-speed rail. For instance, Quentin Kopp--who cowrote the legislation that launched HSR in California--says that the law requires that the project be built in "usable segments," and that each segment be fully funded before work begins, but "he says the current plan to build 130 miles of rail in the Central Valley for $6 billion, starting this summer, will not produce a usable segment,"... The first feasible usable segment...at a cost of $31 billion--way more money than the state has on hand.

Read the Full Article

Submitted Mar 28, 2013 By: DellDude2
Category: Daily News Article Discussions > Topics Add to favorite topics  
Author Topic: Cali Bullet Train Breaking the Rules, Losing Big Supporters Back to Topics
REPLIES (newest first) Post a Reply
Profile Pic
Gnusman53
Champion Author San Diego

Posts:11,073
Points:1,750,720
Joined:Feb 2004
Message Posted: Apr 8, 2013 11:02:51 AM

The biggest waste of taxpayer dollars was the war in Iraq...
Profile Pic
Gnusman53
Champion Author San Diego

Posts:11,073
Points:1,750,720
Joined:Feb 2004
Message Posted: Apr 8, 2013 11:02:00 AM

So blue cruzer.... building the interstate system was a waste of taxpayer dollars too?????
Profile Pic
Gnusman53
Champion Author San Diego

Posts:11,073
Points:1,750,720
Joined:Feb 2004
Message Posted: Mar 31, 2013 12:36:05 PM

But, sometimes... it seems to much to ask for .....tsk tsk
Profile Pic
Gnusman53
Champion Author San Diego

Posts:11,073
Points:1,750,720
Joined:Feb 2004
Message Posted: Mar 31, 2013 12:35:29 PM

It would have been nice to see some facts from posters here.... and fact-based blog at least for the source story to comment on......
Profile Pic
Gnusman53
Champion Author San Diego

Posts:11,073
Points:1,750,720
Joined:Feb 2004
Message Posted: Mar 30, 2013 12:24:06 PM

Still, it was funny seeing how posters knew so little about the HSR history in California....... or got all their information from the always-lying network (Faux).....and internet bloggers in their BVDs.... (grin)
Profile Pic
Gnusman53
Champion Author San Diego

Posts:11,073
Points:1,750,720
Joined:Feb 2004
Message Posted: Mar 29, 2013 9:32:09 PM

Big Kart is very little in the fact department....
Profile Pic
Gnusman53
Champion Author San Diego

Posts:11,073
Points:1,750,720
Joined:Feb 2004
Message Posted: Mar 29, 2013 9:30:31 PM

Sorry mabrams... wrong again...
Profile Pic
Gnusman53
Champion Author San Diego

Posts:11,073
Points:1,750,720
Joined:Feb 2004
Message Posted: Mar 29, 2013 9:29:21 PM

Actually must......the central Valley route is pretty straight.... going through the Tehachapis and the San Gabriel mountains is a major speed bump (problem)....
Profile Pic
Gnusman53
Champion Author San Diego

Posts:11,073
Points:1,750,720
Joined:Feb 2004
Message Posted: Mar 29, 2013 9:24:00 PM

Hmmm 10K.....actually Californians say that about the north Carolinians all the time.....

[Edited by: Gnusman53 at 3/29/2013 9:27:15 PM EST]
Profile Pic
Gnusman53
Champion Author San Diego

Posts:11,073
Points:1,750,720
Joined:Feb 2004
Message Posted: Mar 29, 2013 9:23:42 PM

And the blog still is posted here...... I wonder why (grin)
Profile Pic
Gnusman53
Champion Author San Diego

Posts:11,073
Points:1,750,720
Joined:Feb 2004
Message Posted: Mar 29, 2013 9:22:39 PM

Seems bikechuck has nothing but flats in the fact department...(grin)
Profile Pic
gravityhurts
Champion Author North Carolina

Posts:5,625
Points:1,523,445
Joined:Sep 2008
Message Posted: Mar 29, 2013 6:46:19 AM

Oops!
Profile Pic
F34RL3SSNIT3
Veteran Author Austin

Posts:412
Points:90,465
Joined:Mar 2013
Message Posted: Mar 29, 2013 12:28:41 AM

Lot of money
Profile Pic
jimgraham
Champion Author Akron

Posts:13,152
Points:2,634,925
Joined:Oct 2007
Message Posted: Mar 29, 2013 12:26:56 AM

Only on the coasts - and I hope that it all stays there.
Profile Pic
crreed1
Champion Author West Virginia

Posts:4,538
Points:3,099,245
Joined:May 2005
Message Posted: Mar 29, 2013 12:25:43 AM

they can raise taxes
Profile Pic
Godozo
Champion Author Gary

Posts:1,445
Points:1,113,740
Joined:Dec 2010
Message Posted: Mar 29, 2013 12:25:12 AM

I understand why supporters would be backing from the project...

What if this was nothing more than an underhanded way to fully subsidize the construction of some "long-needed" freight infrastructure to loosen bottlenecks and help flow of freight trains? Build the Tehachapi tunnel to replace the overloaded loop, and suddenly there's no more money for "High Speed Rail."

Hammond, Indiana has already permanently lost bus service, with East Chicago coming soon. Don't be surprised to read up on the death of the South Shore line on this website; the idea of expanding to Lowell is already dead.
Profile Pic
Doomsday64
All-Star Author Austin

Posts:905
Points:375,350
Joined:Apr 2011
Message Posted: Mar 29, 2013 12:23:44 AM

That's too bad
Profile Pic
SparkieMi
Champion Author Kalamazoo

Posts:5,876
Points:1,224,465
Joined:Sep 2011
Message Posted: Mar 29, 2013 12:22:03 AM

Many good posts... Now what is the REAL story?????
Profile Pic
N5EXY
Champion Author Austin

Posts:8,272
Points:2,164,845
Joined:Jul 2004
Message Posted: Mar 29, 2013 12:19:28 AM

Californica dreaming and screaming.
Profile Pic
Tsunamiron
Champion Author Jacksonville

Posts:4,066
Points:1,202,850
Joined:Mar 2011
Message Posted: Mar 29, 2013 12:19:27 AM

Now is not the time for blowing billions of taxpayers dollars on such a project.
Profile Pic
Bezalel
Champion Author Oklahoma City

Posts:14,894
Points:2,943,135
Joined:Oct 2006
Message Posted: Mar 29, 2013 12:18:09 AM

Maybe the legislators got used to writing laws they don't need to abide by, thus causing this.
Profile Pic
boatfloyd
Champion Author Jacksonville

Posts:4,528
Points:1,043,165
Joined:Mar 2012
Message Posted: Mar 29, 2013 12:17:54 AM

Bullet Rail sounds expense.
Profile Pic
bikechuck
Champion Author Indianapolis

Posts:9,801
Points:2,718,450
Joined:Apr 2006
Message Posted: Mar 29, 2013 12:17:19 AM

Liberals having fun with our money. Obama is treating himself rather nicely with many golf outings and family trips. Then closes the white house for tours.
Profile Pic
tedjm1
Champion Author New York

Posts:5,609
Points:801,050
Joined:Dec 2006
Message Posted: Mar 29, 2013 12:17:13 AM

Someone wants to make money out of the scheme./
Profile Pic
CivicMA
Champion Author Boston

Posts:4,708
Points:1,188,100
Joined:Jun 2011
Message Posted: Mar 29, 2013 12:16:40 AM

Wow, that is one expensive train!!
Profile Pic
Glock26
Champion Author Dayton

Posts:4,172
Points:1,261,050
Joined:Mar 2011
Message Posted: Mar 29, 2013 12:15:48 AM

That's what happens when the government gets involved!!!
Profile Pic
Zonk
Champion Author Michigan

Posts:9,210
Points:2,749,275
Joined:Oct 2005
Message Posted: Mar 29, 2013 12:15:24 AM

California can't afford the 'bullet train' project.
Profile Pic
LesFillin
Veteran Author Fresno

Posts:460
Points:2,459,975
Joined:Mar 2005
Message Posted: Mar 29, 2013 12:15:14 AM

Interesting that mosts of the posts are from people outside of the State of California. Why can't more folks here in Calfornia also see how stupid this project is and put a complete stop to it?
Profile Pic
10k
Champion Author North Carolina

Posts:24,981
Points:2,907,400
Joined:May 2006
Message Posted: Mar 29, 2013 12:14:38 AM

y'all gotta remember, we are talking about "liberal land" here-home of loonies-most intelligent people left long ago..
Profile Pic
CiVX
Champion Author Oakland

Posts:9,560
Points:1,989,365
Joined:Feb 2009
Message Posted: Mar 29, 2013 12:13:55 AM

Why do they have to reinvent the wheel? Buy the technology from others who have done it already! The route also bypasses the east bay, which is more populace and economically important then San Francisco.
Profile Pic
veemotors
Champion Author Alberta

Posts:1,314
Points:106,975
Joined:Jun 2008
Message Posted: Mar 29, 2013 12:13:11 AM

it wont happen
Profile Pic
bvrbill
Champion Author Eugene

Posts:7,410
Points:1,173,425
Joined:Jul 2011
Message Posted: Mar 29, 2013 12:12:18 AM

Building a train to nowhere...
Profile Pic
I75at7AM
Champion Author Dayton

Posts:74,259
Points:3,088,645
Joined:Feb 2006
Message Posted: Mar 29, 2013 12:11:48 AM

Who cares what the law says, they make it up as they go along.
It's a "green energy" project because it will get people out of their cars and onto more efficient public transportation. Right?
Profile Pic
Blue_Cruzer
Champion Author Lexington

Posts:8,894
Points:1,942,465
Joined:Mar 2007
Message Posted: Mar 29, 2013 12:11:21 AM

Another big waste of taxpayer money.
Profile Pic
mrreferee
Champion Author Savannah

Posts:2,879
Points:1,157,890
Joined:Jun 2011
Message Posted: Mar 29, 2013 12:10:55 AM

your tax dollars at work
Profile Pic
ssect8
Champion Author Hartford

Posts:10,119
Points:2,495,965
Joined:Jun 2006
Message Posted: Mar 29, 2013 12:10:08 AM

Isn't that just too bad, these politicians can't spend money fast enough.
Profile Pic
obimerrill
Champion Author Cincinnati

Posts:4,201
Points:944,215
Joined:Jul 2012
Message Posted: Mar 29, 2013 12:09:35 AM

Not surprising...CA politicians are very inept and their government is no better.
Profile Pic
JasTheAce
Champion Author Raleigh

Posts:3,673
Points:824,230
Joined:Nov 2012
Message Posted: Mar 29, 2013 12:09:07 AM

jobs
Profile Pic
WhiteTreeIndian
Champion Author New Jersey

Posts:8,256
Points:1,734,670
Joined:Dec 2009
Message Posted: Mar 29, 2013 12:08:04 AM

Print all the money they need.
Profile Pic
WhiteTreeIndian
Champion Author New Jersey

Posts:8,256
Points:1,734,670
Joined:Dec 2009
Message Posted: Mar 29, 2013 12:05:39 AM

These things cost too much.
Profile Pic
BALRSTATUS
Champion Author Grand Rapids

Posts:1,192
Points:267,455
Joined:Feb 2013
Message Posted: Mar 29, 2013 12:05:31 AM

nice
Profile Pic
Rooster922
Champion Author Wilmington

Posts:4,170
Points:1,083,820
Joined:Jan 2009
Message Posted: Mar 29, 2013 12:04:17 AM

Yep
Profile Pic
Rageagainsttm
Champion Author Tampa

Posts:10,902
Points:2,537,460
Joined:Jul 2007
Message Posted: Mar 29, 2013 12:03:01 AM

It's a good idea though.
Profile Pic
Cashless
Champion Author Akron

Posts:6,297
Points:1,389,385
Joined:Apr 2011
Message Posted: Mar 29, 2013 12:02:48 AM

Good to know.
Profile Pic
Rageagainsttm
Champion Author Tampa

Posts:10,902
Points:2,537,460
Joined:Jul 2007
Message Posted: Mar 29, 2013 12:02:19 AM

That's too bad.
Profile Pic
cheaper0ON
Champion Author Ontario

Posts:3,719
Points:1,051,905
Joined:Jan 2012
Message Posted: Mar 29, 2013 12:02:11 AM

ok.
Profile Pic
SavALot
Champion Author Virginia Beach

Posts:10,700
Points:2,338,860
Joined:Apr 2005
Message Posted: Mar 28, 2013 11:57:38 PM

not a lot of support going into this
Profile Pic
gta_guy
Champion Author Toronto

Posts:2,756
Points:770,455
Joined:Nov 2012
Message Posted: Mar 28, 2013 11:57:03 PM

This is what all too often happens when big government controls big projects!
Profile Pic
must87searcher
Champion Author Maryland

Posts:11,679
Points:2,433,560
Joined:Apr 2008
Message Posted: Mar 28, 2013 11:56:54 PM

Being a person who works by railroads, there are a number of mistakes in this plan. These rail lines have to be in a much more straight form. On the map, it looks like there are a too many bends. The other problem is involving slow moving traisn, which would evidentaly cause delay. As for the costs, that was usual for the government.

These people had better learn to keep their eyes more open for problems.
Profile Pic
waynemustang
Champion Author Indiana

Posts:8,733
Points:2,286,210
Joined:Nov 2006
Message Posted: Mar 28, 2013 11:54:56 PM

Big waste of money.
Post a reply Back to Topics