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China poised to lead U.S. in clean energy

New York Times -- Over the past decade, whenever I went to China and engaged Chinese on their pollution and energy problems, inevitably some young Chinese would say: “Hey, you Americans got to grow dirty for 150 years, using cheap coal and oil. Now it is our turn.”
It’s a hard argument to refute. Eventually, I decided that the only way to respond was with some variation of the following: “You’re right. It’s your turn. Grow as dirty as you want. Take your time. Because I think America just needs five years to invent all the clean-power technologies you Chinese are going to need as you choke to death on pollution. Then we’re going to come over here and sell them all to you, and we are going to clean your clock — how do you say ‘clean your clock’ in Chinese? — in the next great global industry: clean power t

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honda0105 Champion Author Tallahassee Posts:5,896 Points:330,330 Joined:Nov 2008	Message Posted: Jul 7, 2009 6:02:41 AM Ignore honda0105 Report Abuse don't believe everything coming out of China...
Blue48 Champion Author Illinois Posts:1,440 Points:377,455 Joined:Feb 2007	Message Posted: Jul 6, 2009 10:27:13 PM Ignore Blue48 Report Abuse GOOD ONE!! GaryG7 IN New Jersey
honda0105 Champion Author Tallahassee Posts:5,896 Points:330,330 Joined:Nov 2008	Message Posted: Jul 6, 2009 10:11:52 PM Ignore honda0105 Report Abuse time will tell.
72_Monte Champion Author Twin Cities Posts:1,225 Points:727,180 Joined:Aug 2005	Message Posted: Jul 6, 2009 12:34:26 AM Ignore 72_Monte Report Abuse Ouch, GaryG7!
VREP Champion Author Vermont Posts:1,466 Points:315,520 Joined:Aug 2005	Message Posted: Jul 6, 2009 12:26:56 AM Ignore VREP Report Abuse Time will tell.
GaryG7 Champion Author New Jersey Posts:7,345 Points:1,436,075 Joined:Aug 2005	Message Posted: Jul 6, 2009 12:26:49 AM Ignore GaryG7 Report Abuse The problem with Chinese clean energy is that an hour after you use it, you need to use it again.
eddmac Champion Author Washington Posts:3,106 Points:720,190 Joined:May 2006	Message Posted: Jul 6, 2009 12:23:45 AM Ignore eddmac Report Abuse Yeah, the world has many armpits, and rear ends. For some reason I liked this article. But I may need more time, time to think. [Edited by: eddmac at 7/6/2009 12:24:25 AM EST]
TBONE3 Champion Author Pennsylvania Posts:2,362 Points:703,215 Joined:Mar 2005	Message Posted: Jul 6, 2009 12:21:00 AM Ignore TBONE3 Report Abuse We will see.
Blue_Cruzer Champion Author Lexington Posts:1,520 Points:479,610 Joined:Mar 2007	Message Posted: Jul 6, 2009 12:20:41 AM Ignore Blue_Cruzer Report Abuse This is something I have to see.
72_Monte Champion Author Twin Cities Posts:1,225 Points:727,180 Joined:Aug 2005	Message Posted: Jul 6, 2009 12:20:29 AM Ignore 72_Monte Report Abuse It would be a surprise, indeed. They don't have a very solid record in being "clean", much less caring about it. It has yet to be proven that the huge Three Gorges Dam project will not come back to haunt them in various ways - the fact that the dam sits on a seismic fault, for one. They run to 'solutions' when they need to think first.
skybiker Champion Author South Carolina Posts:2,023 Points:379,755 Joined:Jul 2008	Message Posted: Jul 6, 2009 12:17:26 AM Ignore skybiker Report Abuse China is a big polluter..Lets see if they can change...............
TommyTraveler Champion Author Cincinnati Posts:2,162 Points:421,250 Joined:Nov 2007	Message Posted: Jul 6, 2009 12:15:57 AM Ignore TommyTraveler Report Abuse Why do you think China exploded on the world scene in economics? The Gnomes of finance invested there because of the lack of enviromental controls and cheap labor. I have been to China 5 different times and they have very beautiful cities there but they also have a number of arm pits.
CobraLeader Champion Author New Jersey Posts:152,875 Points:834,900 Joined:Apr 2007	Message Posted: Jul 6, 2009 12:13:57 AM Ignore CobraLeader Report Abuse Why not?
rxman1 Champion Author Toledo Posts:2,729 Points:620,125 Joined:Nov 2007	Message Posted: Jul 6, 2009 12:10:28 AM Ignore rxman1 Report Abuse This would be a surprise. Could it be that they only want to sell it to the world and not use it themselves?
philthethrill Champion Author Hamilton Posts:1,686 Points:348,290 Joined:Nov 2008	Message Posted: Jul 6, 2009 12:08:24 AM Ignore philthethrill Report Abuse can't really be suprised - Bagtag
Bagtag All-Star Author Georgia Posts:741 Points:714,000 Joined:May 2006	Message Posted: Jul 6, 2009 12:06:42 AM Ignore Bagtag Report Abuse China is poised to lead the world in just about everything. Did you know that on their government controlled media that they preach to their people that China is the new world power?
traindude Champion Author Virginia Beach Posts:2,020 Points:496,765 Joined:Jun 2007	Message Posted: Jul 6, 2009 12:03:50 AM Ignore traindude Report Abuse i guess you can call that healthy competition
Pstreicher All-Star Author Tampa Posts:812 Points:289,440 Joined:Oct 2007	Message Posted: Jul 6, 2009 12:00:22 AM Ignore Pstreicher Report Abuse I like this story.
teafortwo Champion Author Washington Posts:1,604 Points:142,600 Joined:Feb 2009	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 11:59:31 PM Ignore teafortwo Report Abuse Clean, green, good Dirty, toxic, BAD
waynemustang Champion Author Indiana Posts:2,014 Points:583,150 Joined:Nov 2006	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 11:58:23 PM Ignore waynemustang Report Abuse China, the dirtiest country in the world???
FastAndy Champion Author Indianapolis Posts:3,230 Points:827,655 Joined:Jun 2007	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 11:57:52 PM Ignore FastAndy Report Abuse Sure they are.
jay4 Champion Author Colorado Springs Posts:4,385 Points:1,049,855 Joined:Apr 2006	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 11:55:37 PM Ignore jay4 Report Abuse At their current rate of a new coal-fired electric plant a week this change should take some time.
RayJayT Champion Author Mississippi Posts:1,926 Points:385,205 Joined:Aug 2008	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 11:55:11 PM Ignore RayJayT Report Abuse Good for them
civicdutie Champion Author Rochester Posts:1,337 Points:269,615 Joined:Nov 2008	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 11:48:49 PM Ignore civicdutie Report Abuse It is good to see someone else make the first mistake and learn from it after.
bigmaninarig Champion Author St. Louis Posts:2,123 Points:389,570 Joined:Jul 2008	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 11:47:46 PM Ignore bigmaninarig Report Abuse Well I do believe that China was dirty during those same last 150 years!
niceguytx Champion Author Houston Posts:7,468 Points:1,450,825 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 11:46:23 PM Ignore niceguytx Report Abuse They are a slow follow, and they know how to reap the profits of our actions, just like in Iraq.
egd Champion Author Twin Cities Posts:2,534 Points:1,039,435 Joined:Mar 2005	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 11:45:59 PM Ignore egd Report Abuse China and India should want to use cleaner energy and we could sell it to them if we were smart
Wizrd03 Champion Author Illinois Posts:1,725 Points:365,640 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 11:44:31 PM Ignore Wizrd03 Report Abuse China won't do anything to increse their costs and lower their profits. They've learned well from the US
GypsyBC Veteran Author British Columbia Posts:292 Points:83,475 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 11:44:28 PM Ignore GypsyBC Report Abuse Yes, we hope for clean energy, wherever it comes from is okay with me.
john382 Champion Author Illinois Posts:6,030 Points:1,216,075 Joined:Aug 2005	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 11:39:02 PM Ignore john382 Report Abuse Consider the source here. This is a fell good article Wake up, take a look at what this cap and trad (HR2454)is all about. Call your senator tell them to vote no it's not to late. The senate will be voting on the soon. You are not alone, become a 9-12er.
250FORD Champion Author Minnesota Posts:6,037 Points:946,905 Joined:Feb 2007	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 11:35:37 PM Ignore 250FORD Report Abuse Who ever comes up with "clean" energy will rule the world.
Romey08 All-Star Author Virginia Posts:597 Points:297,865 Joined:Apr 2008	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 11:34:14 PM Ignore Romey08 Report Abuse Good for the Chinese
ED6 Champion Author Riverside Posts:3,666 Points:715,485 Joined:Jul 2007	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 11:32:51 PM Ignore ED6 Report Abuse Remains to be seen.
Jarod13 Champion Author Virginia Posts:1,593 Points:354,280 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 11:32:27 PM Ignore Jarod13 Report Abuse CumminsFanOH -- right on! The Chinese won't discover clean energy, they'll just wait until the American's create the technologies and have their industrial spies steal it -- they've been doing that for decades, for both our industrial and military secrets. Why change now?
Tarzan05 Rookie Author Los Angeles Posts:24 Points:21,340 Joined:Jul 2009	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 11:29:13 PM Ignore Tarzan05 Report Abuse will see what happends.
zeddieiv Champion Author Columbia Posts:2,466 Points:815,985 Joined:Oct 2006	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 11:20:05 PM Ignore zeddieiv Report Abuse Yet another area where the chi-coms lead us
rjb21760 Champion Author Chicago Posts:2,089 Points:666,800 Joined:Oct 2006	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 11:15:40 PM Ignore rjb21760 Report Abuse good for them
GPRS08 Sophomore Author Maryland Posts:200 Points:391,380 Joined:May 2008	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 11:13:05 PM Ignore GPRS08 Report Abuse Clean technologies is the next boom!
CumminsFanOH Veteran Author Columbus Posts:411 Points:234,065 Joined:Jan 2009	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 11:12:16 PM Ignore CumminsFanOH Report Abuse Don't bet on it. We will pioneer the technologies and they will just copy them.
blazerbob91 Champion Author Milwaukee Posts:2,507 Points:721,785 Joined:Aug 2005	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 11:06:45 PM Ignore blazerbob91 Report Abuse Choke on your pollution. Don't start clean.
heysailor Champion Author Pittsburgh Posts:3,149 Points:1,056,875 Joined:Mar 2006	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 11:06:40 PM Ignore heysailor Report Abuse China takes a long view whereas the whiz kids running Wall Street want a 40% return on equity by next Wednesday.
NavyStore Champion Author Seattle Posts:1,230 Points:891,425 Joined:Aug 2005	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 11:02:27 PM Ignore NavyStore Report Abuse I disagree bguz. I say we should have a minimum global standard for every country, like the 'cap & trade' system but with every nation involved. America can & should lead the way to a clean future, not the Chinese.
bosrs All-Star Author Seattle Posts:800 Points:261,200 Joined:Oct 2006	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 11:02:03 PM Ignore bosrs Report Abuse i don't get it...
Muke Champion Author Virginia Beach Posts:2,439 Points:630,050 Joined:Jun 2007	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 11:00:25 PM Ignore Muke Report Abuse China is also using solar and other green energy. They are now operating giant solar plant. So they are inovative in the green energy. India using CNG for buses and Rickshaw. India is now having Six new Hydro powers plants, getting oil from elgy grown in most remote area and other sources. So it is egoestic to say we are going to clean their clock. China is cleaning our clock by supporting the trillons of dollar debt. And the way congress and Obama administration spending money it will be 6 to 8 trillion dollars. So china will own USA in few years, then tell me Who is cleaning the clock"?
bguz Rookie Author Atlanta Posts:76 Points:41,640 Joined:Nov 2008	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 10:55:05 PM Ignore bguz Report Abuse it would be good if they passed us in eviro goodness
mike911 Champion Author Detroit Posts:2,446 Points:923,065 Joined:Jan 2007	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 10:52:06 PM Ignore mike911 Report Abuse But who will buy it?
LetemEatCake Champion Author Oklahoma City Posts:2,082 Points:264,355 Joined:Mar 2008	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 10:51:37 PM Ignore LetemEatCake Report Abuse PissedCanuck and TheSnowstorm... Agree! China has leverage over their citizens to clean-up the US doesn't have. There is little discussion or big-time opposition. They are already spending more than $300B. It is also obvious that China is way ahead of the US in the Green industries. We need to be building, on a large scale, wind turbines, solar cells, and state-of-the-art batteries for EV's. Whether posters agree on environmental issues...not too many disagree on our need to jump-start industry....and that will take investment capital as well as entrepreneurs and excellent engineers. [Edited by: LetemEatCake at 7/5/2009 10:52:23 PM EST]
jeromehasbargen Champion Author Minnesota Posts:1,188 Points:236,180 Joined:Jan 2009	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 10:50:28 PM Ignore jeromehasbargen Report Abuse It is the next race in the industry. Clean power technology. May the better country win.
tidbitKY All-Star Author Kentucky Posts:849 Points:166,395 Joined:Mar 2009	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 10:48:16 PM Ignore tidbitKY Report Abuse Don't believe a word of this article.
tom11743 Champion Author North Carolina Posts:1,273 Points:320,030 Joined:May 2005	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 10:47:36 PM Ignore tom11743 Report Abuse The air in the major cities in China is filthy with pollution.