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E15: A Fuel Before Its Time

The energy Collective -- “Ford does not support the introduction of E15 into the marketplace for the legacy fleet. …any damage resulting from misfueling is not covered by the warranty.”

Chrysler: “We are not confident that our vehicles will not be damaged from the use of E15. … use of the blends beyond E10 will void the warranty.”

Honda: “Vehicle engines were not designed or built to accommodate the higher concentrations of ethanol. … There appears to be the potential for engine failure.”

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Submitted May 05, 2012 By: vandamme

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jeffbone Champion Author Virginia Posts:1,359 Points:399,920 Joined:Mar 2011	Message Posted: May 7, 2012 10:15:23 AM Ignore jeffbone Report Abuse More ethanol crap. Yippee. Thanks, Big Brother...
Edpap Champion Author Pennsylvania Posts:4,324 Points:505,950 Joined:Oct 2011	Message Posted: May 7, 2012 9:19:35 AM Ignore Edpap Report Abuse Who in Federal government is pushing the Ethanol?....and why?...who contributed to their election funds? Did you vote for a Congressman who supports Ethanol?
molebaby96 Champion Author Tallahassee Posts:2,121 Points:505,165 Joined:Nov 2011	Message Posted: May 7, 2012 6:50:54 AM Ignore molebaby96 Report Abuse No to ethanol, tell your government leaders.
johnnyg1200 Champion Author St. Louis Posts:4,155 Points:644,365 Joined:May 2011	Message Posted: May 7, 2012 12:15:51 AM Ignore johnnyg1200 Report Abuse You have to love the government way. They force you to buy a fuel that is more expensive and has less energy in it. Then complain that cars don’t get enough miles per gallon while telling us there is nothing they can do about fuel prices.
carranco Champion Author Georgia Posts:1,027 Points:269,015 Joined:Dec 2008	Message Posted: May 6, 2012 10:11:59 PM Ignore carranco Report Abuse We need to drop this whole concept of ethanol from corn.
YaBassa Champion Author Michigan Posts:2,425 Points:516,125 Joined:Nov 2011	Message Posted: May 6, 2012 9:54:24 PM Ignore YaBassa Report Abuse Many manufacturers not quoted, but those that are say their engines will be damage by E15. Some in Washington must be getting donations from the corn growers.
Ply440GTX All-Star Author Texas Posts:949 Points:309,730 Joined:Feb 2009	Message Posted: May 6, 2012 6:52:48 PM Ignore Ply440GTX Report Abuse E15: A Fuel That Is A Waste Of Time With the subsidies going away the end of last year, I'm suprised anyone in the EtOH industry is interested in manufacturing this crap! "…use of the blends beyond E10 will void the warranty.” NICE!
BuckyTJones Champion Author Salt Lake City Posts:4,932 Points:967,950 Joined:Mar 2010	Message Posted: May 6, 2012 5:56:37 PM Ignore BuckyTJones Report Abuse With so many auto manufacturers basically telling us they will not warrant their autos if we use mileage killing and engine damaging (maybe) fuel. Is this why our great corrupt career criminal politicians push it on us? No Career Criminal Politicians in November!! You can tell them by the Ethanol on their breath! And by the dead boarder agents. Eric Holder. [Edited by: BuckyTJones at 5/6/2012 5:58:20 PM EST]
nfldude Champion Author San Diego Posts:3,871 Points:445,805 Joined:Dec 2011	Message Posted: May 6, 2012 5:36:44 PM Ignore nfldude Report Abuse Etahnol cause MPG to drop since alcohol has lower BTUs than other fuels. No E fuels!
sdslim Champion Author Florida Posts:1,889 Points:1,710,050 Joined:Feb 2007	Message Posted: May 6, 2012 3:44:32 PM Ignore sdslim Report Abuse Let it die!
briinnc Champion Author North Carolina Posts:2,705 Points:834,820 Joined:Jan 2010	Message Posted: May 6, 2012 2:26:59 PM Ignore briinnc Report Abuse And does the EPA care? Need to run a vehicle on this stuff until engine damage occurs, then sue the hell out of them. Any volunteers? Maybe EPA employees???
johntxx Champion Author Texas Posts:2,778 Points:616,095 Joined:Aug 2011	Message Posted: May 6, 2012 2:22:59 PM Ignore johntxx Report Abuse I think VDubBill has the correct title for this article: "E15: A Fuel Past Its Time." No ethanol is our fuel! Ethanol, the real fuel of the past. [Edited by: johntxx at 5/6/2012 2:23:57 PM EST]
Jeff4U Champion Author Atlanta Posts:8,749 Points:1,852,145 Joined:Nov 2004	Message Posted: May 6, 2012 1:57:44 PM Ignore Jeff4U Report Abuse Ethanol sucks for countless reasons. We are forced to use this crap without the freedom of choice. What if they added chemicals to our water without our consent? This is America! We're losing our freedom and rights, thanks to those who elect progressive socialists like Obama to run our lives.
BBopp Champion Author Dayton Posts:6,839 Points:1,937,705 Joined:Dec 2006	Message Posted: May 6, 2012 1:01:58 PM Ignore BBopp Report Abuse I suppose that is one way to look at E15. I just don't think we will ever get decent mileage out of it.
aquarinut Champion Author British Columbia Posts:1,628 Points:436,855 Joined:Jul 2011	Message Posted: May 6, 2012 12:37:47 PM Ignore aquarinut Report Abuse Oh yeah... great for the economy... less fuel economy, more damage to engines and fuel systems. Looks like obama and the EPA are trying to force the general public into deeper debt by making them buy vehicles that meet the new ethanol levels as E15 destroys the current ones they are driving. Zero ethanol would make the best blend!!!
dangasman Champion Author Michigan Posts:3,029 Points:1,665,160 Joined:Oct 2006	Message Posted: May 6, 2012 12:21:31 PM Ignore dangasman Report Abuse the 10 percent is causing to much damage to little motors now!! boat motors, lawn mowers
Van_Halen Champion Author Atlanta Posts:2,850 Points:641,230 Joined:Apr 2011	Message Posted: May 6, 2012 12:11:25 PM Ignore Van_Halen Report Abuse . All Ethanol should be banned!
bwatchingu Champion Author Arkansas Posts:1,740 Points:600,645 Joined:Jan 2009	Message Posted: May 6, 2012 11:29:39 AM Ignore bwatchingu Report Abuse Noticed no statement from Government Motors.Ethanol is junk.
wamster Champion Author Houston Posts:4,250 Points:694,830 Joined:May 2007	Message Posted: May 6, 2012 11:18:11 AM Ignore wamster Report Abuse My vehicle has a big warning inside the fuel door, not to use E15. I wish I could find a station without ethanol, period. Haven't been able to find any in Houston.
gbs1 Champion Author Minnesota Posts:1,996 Points:741,625 Joined:Mar 2011	Message Posted: May 6, 2012 11:17:55 AM Ignore gbs1 Report Abuse Leave it at 10%, we have used it in Minnesota for years.
majormarket All-Star Author Houston Posts:829 Points:789,360 Joined:May 2008	Message Posted: May 6, 2012 11:10:15 AM Ignore majormarket Report Abuse Blech! Thumbs down to E15.
db60 All-Star Author Indiana Posts:982 Points:211,255 Joined:Oct 2011	Message Posted: May 6, 2012 9:51:32 AM Ignore db60 Report Abuse E15 is a disaster waiting to happen.
bvrbill Champion Author Eugene Posts:3,217 Points:517,775 Joined:Jul 2011	Message Posted: May 6, 2012 9:50:23 AM Ignore bvrbill Report Abuse We don't need more corn in our fuel. As others have said, "Stop stuffing this down our throats!"
Evilmaddog Champion Author British Columbia Posts:3,317 Points:956,575 Joined:Aug 2010	Message Posted: May 6, 2012 9:48:28 AM Ignore Evilmaddog Report Abuse Government is suppose to work for the people, EPA out of control
humblepie Champion Author Toledo Posts:34,197 Points:2,371,370 Joined:Mar 2006	Message Posted: May 6, 2012 9:45:19 AM Ignore humblepie Report Abuse we dont have to buy it.........
Lugi1967 Champion Author Ohio Posts:4,783 Points:1,001,270 Joined:Jun 2010	Message Posted: May 6, 2012 9:38:34 AM Ignore Lugi1967 Report Abuse Junk fuel, low mileage and not enough cost difference to justify
VomVom Champion Author Calgary Posts:3,857 Points:1,627,080 Joined:May 2007	Message Posted: May 6, 2012 9:11:59 AM Ignore VomVom Report Abuse I agree with most GasBuddies that E15 and any higher E content gas should not be mandated. As a minimum, the consumer should have a choice.
gs7101 Champion Author San Antonio Posts:5,523 Points:387,920 Joined:Jun 2009	Message Posted: May 6, 2012 9:05:31 AM Ignore gs7101 Report Abuse Get rid of all ethanol!
coughlin Champion Author San Jose Posts:5,180 Points:1,117,640 Joined:Sep 2009	Message Posted: May 6, 2012 8:45:27 AM Ignore coughlin Report Abuse No food for fuel.
daequitz Champion Author New Jersey Posts:6,317 Points:1,383,605 Joined:Jan 2007	Message Posted: May 6, 2012 8:42:29 AM Ignore daequitz Report Abuse How about; not this time! Not until we have the option back to purchase E0 gasoline.
VDubBill Champion Author Jacksonville Posts:3,765 Points:1,261,620 Joined:May 2008	Message Posted: May 6, 2012 8:27:40 AM Ignore VDubBill Report Abuse E15: A Fuel Past Its Time.
Tacodan Champion Author Cincinnati Posts:2,314 Points:653,360 Joined:Apr 2011	Message Posted: May 6, 2012 8:24:12 AM Ignore Tacodan Report Abuse NO E fir me !
gandalfthegrey1 Champion Author Houston Posts:1,184 Points:384,785 Joined:Feb 2011	Message Posted: May 6, 2012 8:00:12 AM Ignore gandalfthegrey1 Report Abuse Notice the quotes don't simply reference decreased mpg. They talk engine DAMAGE. Is anyone willing to sacrifice their car for garbage gas? The govt should just admit this is an unacceptable alternative and leave us alone.
bar1035 Champion Author Charlotte Posts:9,152 Points:1,297,245 Joined:Aug 2006	Message Posted: May 6, 2012 7:55:09 AM Ignore bar1035 Report Abuse read your owners manual
Yooperheart Champion Author Michigan Posts:3,415 Points:527,025 Joined:Feb 2010	Message Posted: May 6, 2012 7:30:31 AM Ignore Yooperheart Report Abuse We had a report about stations that carry 100% fuel. The results were alarming; In my area I could only find two, That's TWO that carried the real deal. One is a marina. We are so screwed.
bullet226 Champion Author Toronto Posts:2,716 Points:534,915 Joined:Nov 2010	Message Posted: May 6, 2012 7:09:46 AM Ignore bullet226 Report Abuse Of course the American auto companies wouldn't support it!
ReddevilNO Champion Author New Orleans Posts:3,365 Points:580,340 Joined:Aug 2011	Message Posted: May 6, 2012 6:41:09 AM Ignore ReddevilNO Report Abuse This does not sound good.
StArrow68 Champion Author Oakland Posts:3,256 Points:1,360,470 Joined:Apr 2003	Message Posted: May 6, 2012 6:41:02 AM Ignore StArrow68 Report Abuse The EPA is all about generating donations to the Powers That Be.
dr047 Champion Author Cleveland Posts:2,592 Points:517,445 Joined:Aug 2010	Message Posted: May 6, 2012 6:31:15 AM Ignore dr047 Report Abuse They are Hell Bent on Shoving this Crap Down our Throat!
nozzle46 Champion Author Little Rock Posts:6,690 Points:1,472,825 Joined:Jul 2006	Message Posted: May 6, 2012 6:26:42 AM Ignore nozzle46 Report Abuse Feel the force, ethanol industry.
afghaned Champion Author Hamilton Posts:11,814 Points:1,285,685 Joined:May 2004	Message Posted: May 6, 2012 6:17:05 AM Ignore afghaned Report Abuse Put food on the table not the gas tank. Ethanol production has reduced the farm land used for food crops causing prices to increase. Ethanol reducesMPG how does that help fuel buyers?
Amplion Champion Author Oregon Posts:6,767 Points:1,865,060 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: May 6, 2012 4:39:26 AM Ignore Amplion Report Abuse BAN ETHANOL
LilRedWagonIN Champion Author Indiana Posts:7,776 Points:1,554,385 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: May 6, 2012 3:30:02 AM Ignore LilRedWagonIN Report Abuse The government will easily solve this problem by banning older cars. If they can demand everyone buy health insurance, they know they can demand purchase of new GM cars.
angel4me Champion Author San Jose Posts:2,814 Points:794,545 Joined:Dec 2010	Message Posted: May 6, 2012 3:14:07 AM Ignore angel4me Report Abuse but they knew this long ago...........
UseLessGasFolks Champion Author Iowa Posts:5,446 Points:1,295,850 Joined:Jul 2007	Message Posted: May 6, 2012 2:41:55 AM Ignore UseLessGasFolks Report Abuse None of them are going to step up and say "sure, go ahead". All that does is open them up to more claims that probably would have nothing to do with the ethanol.
eromitlab Champion Author Huntsville Posts:7,311 Points:1,451,160 Joined:May 2008	Message Posted: May 6, 2012 2:20:14 AM Ignore eromitlab Report Abuse E10 is bad enough. Wish politicians would stop trying to appease Monsanto and the corn lobby, but that would require them to stop writing them "donation" checks.
TRYWI All-Star Author Appleton Posts:898 Points:282,150 Joined:Jan 2012	Message Posted: May 6, 2012 2:11:47 AM Ignore TRYWI Report Abuse Forward.
Pozole Champion Author Portland Posts:9,596 Points:1,594,520 Joined:Mar 2005	Message Posted: May 6, 2012 1:53:45 AM Ignore Pozole Report Abuse ...KEEP YOUR ETHANOL OUT OF MY GASOLINE ! ! !...
Vette1967 Champion Author Albany Posts:5,962 Points:1,275,025 Joined:Jun 2009	Message Posted: May 6, 2012 1:36:30 AM Ignore Vette1967 Report Abuse Nothing more that will reduce fuel economy.
el_fr Champion Author Massachusetts Posts:3,337 Points:744,700 Joined:Apr 2011	Message Posted: May 6, 2012 1:31:01 AM Ignore el_fr Report Abuse Corn is for eating!