rjhenn

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Message Posted: Apr 25, 2012 9:00:00 PM
mrpc90 - "Hypocrites."
And, of course, there's nothing hypocritical about the Republicans, back then, stating that it wasn't Bush's fault, but now it's all Obama's fault.
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sparky808

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Honolulu
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Message Posted: Apr 25, 2012 1:35:18 PM
Thank you for posting.
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mrpc90

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Illinois
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Message Posted: Apr 25, 2012 8:02:41 AM
I'd love to go back to the days where the democrats whined and moaned about $2 a gallon gas when Bush was President.
Now, it is $4 a gallon under the democrats, and they don't care.... and claim there's nothing that can be done.
Hypocrites.
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SavingInNC

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North Carolina
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Message Posted: Apr 25, 2012 4:58:18 AM
Surprise
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cashpayer

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Raleigh
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Message Posted: Apr 25, 2012 3:04:15 AM
Tomeboy is absolutely right. House and Senate members on both sides of the aisle are on the take from Oil companies and Wall Street and a number of other interests with big pockets. Unfortunately ours is a system where money buys votes, and those with the biggest campaign coffers buy more commercials and more votes. House members, especially, since they are up for election every two years will embrace any big money they can get their hands on.
We need serious election reform starting with term limits and limits on the contributions from PACs. But congress will not clean their own houses, so we, as the voters, need to boot them out and replace them with those who will enact election reform.
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cashpayer

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Raleigh
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Message Posted: Apr 25, 2012 2:43:11 AM
Locally, for me, prices have dropped no more than about 2 cents per gallon, and that only the last couple of days. $3.769 is the cheapest I can pay without driving 15 miles out of the way.
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cashpayer

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Raleigh
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Message Posted: Apr 25, 2012 2:34:56 AM
This wasn't much of an article. Nothing we could call "news", and nothing we didn't already know.
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rap12MA

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Boston
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Message Posted: Apr 25, 2012 1:44:58 AM
Aviator Rob!Tell the truth.You are really a speculator in disguise!
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Tomeboy

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Message Posted: Apr 25, 2012 1:32:20 AM
No doubt about the pawns in this international game of chess. The general public, the six pack majority, the middle class, the poor, come to think of it about anyone without a major financial interest in oil fits the Webster’s definition of a pawn; ‘a person used to advance another’s purposes.
The oil companies and oil producers are making record shattering profits. Are they the only ones benefiting from the astronomical profits being made in the oil industry? Hardly! No the river of greed flows in many directions including the financial houses underwriting the oil business and managing their money who also provide the depressing analysis that seems to drive the price up every day.
Americans have reduced their use of oil. The inventories in America are the highest in years. Future demand is certain to go down with the increase in hybrid cars and reduced driving. Weather has been warmer than normal thus reducing heating oil demand. Every economic indicator says the price should be dropping, not rising to record highs.
Where are the outraged congressmen and senators the so-called protectors of the people? Are they for real? Or are they simply in the pocket of the kings of the oil profits, the oil barons of the 21st century? Well the campaign contributions seem to indicate they have been bought off. So do the millions of dollars being spent on advertising by oil related industries.
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Rich1430

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Indiana
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Message Posted: Apr 25, 2012 1:23:22 AM
To The Atlanta Urinal And Constipation-Why report stuff like this? We know it. We are not as stupid and/or uniformed as you think we are.
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Tomeboy

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Twin Cities
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Message Posted: Apr 25, 2012 1:12:13 AM
Aviator Rob... I appreciate your input!
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abacus44

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Message Posted: Apr 25, 2012 1:11:44 AM
Avaitor Rob; Assuming that your skewed, misinformed numbers were true, the 30 million in stock would be taxed as earned income, not as capital gains and therefor subject to regular tax rates.
Your knowledge of economic and tax facts is woefully inadequate.
BTW, I hate FOX news. CNN is now just fluff. Try BBC news if you want somewhat unbiased reporting.
P.S. Stop drinking the Kool Aide
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NFChaos2003

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Long Island
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Message Posted: Apr 25, 2012 1:04:00 AM
Did she ever consider buying a different car, instead of putting her kid in a different school...? Tahoes are huge gas hounds, and switching to a smaller car might be a bit more practical then stifling her child's education.
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Aviator_Rob

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Message Posted: Apr 25, 2012 12:54:16 AM
abacus44, if you think this is class warfare BS, you need to stop drinking the Fox News Cool Aid. The only people in this country that pay a 35-45% tax rate are lottery winners and Hollywood movie stars.
The average Wall Street CEO collects $300,000 cash as a salary and then $30 million in stock. So let's do the math: $300,000 @ 36% tax and $30,000,000 @ 15% capital gains. Nice work, if you can get it, eh?
And this doesn't even include the fact that the 15% is on capital GAINS. As long as the money stays invested in the market, it grows TAX FREE. You don't actually pay the 15% tax until you pull the money out. And if you want a really great insurance policy, cash out your gains at the same time that you pull some losses out of the market. Made some risky bets in the market and got burned? Not to worry, you can deduct those losses from your taxes. Just charge them against your capital gains that were big winners.
Meanwhile, if you save your money in the local bank, like our grandparents used to, you have to pay taxes on the meager interest earned, EVERY YEAR.
I'm afraid you're mistakem, abacus44. Calling this class warfare implies that both sides have an equal chance of winning.
This is a class massacre.
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Aviator_Rob

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New York
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Message Posted: Apr 25, 2012 12:39:11 AM
Understanding how weather affects gas prices is not about the actual temperature, rap12MA. Fuel prices tend to fluctuate wildly any time supply and demand don't sync up tightly. In the case of temperature, oil refineries this winter probably refined a lot of heating oil from their crude oil stocks, expecting to sell a lot more of it than usual during the cold winter. Last winter was cold and snowy, so they made a bet on this winter being the same.
Since this winter was very mild, all this extra heating oil has been sitting around in the refineries' storage tanks. Since their tanks are full, they have no place to store up gasoline for the warmer driving season, when summer gasoline blends are used to keep down the amount of smog. This all meant that gasoline supply was lower than anticipated, which drove up the price. Now that the fuel oil supply is being drawn down, there's more room to refine more gasoline which is now driving down the price somewhat.
Whenever one of the geniuses at the oil companies makes a bad prediction about fuel demand, prices go crazy.
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abacus44

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Message Posted: Apr 25, 2012 12:38:54 AM
Wow, a little bit of knowledge is certainly a dangerous thing.
Many states impose a sales tax on gasoline purchases. Since for many people, there is a limit as to how much of their driving can be reduced or eliminated, they end up paying higher taxes and the states reap the benefits.
Wall street bankers and CEOs do NOT pay an average of 15% on their earnings, its more like 35-45% between federal and state taxes. The 15% rate is for capital gains and dividends, not wages and bonuses. Obama has succeeded in his class warfare agenda if you believe this 15% BS.
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Aviator_Rob

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New York
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Message Posted: Apr 25, 2012 12:26:04 AM
Can we get back to reality, bigrigAZ? Gas taxes are not a percentage of gas prices, like a sales tax. They're a tax per gallon of fuel. It's the same tax whether gas is $1.00/gal or $4.00/gal. In fact, the government collects more fuel taxes when prices are low because more gas is sold. A whole lot of people won't be taking that vacation road trip if gas stays high.
As for the Mega Millions lottery, don't see why you brought it up on a GAS PRICE FORUM. Save that for the "state lotteries are a scam" forum. Just for the record everyone, lotteries like Mega Millions and PowerBall are state lotteries, not federal. We do not have a national lottery in the U.S. Mega Millions and Powerball jackpots are pooled from the lottery sales of many different states that take half of the income and combine that money into one big jackpot. For every dollar spent on buying lottery tickets, the state where you bought the ticket, took half the money and put it into that state's education fund.
Now, if you happen to be so fortunate as to win, the state where you bought the ticket has the right to collect state taxes on your "earnings". Technically, you earned that money by purchasing that ticket in that state. Of course, the federal govt will also collect income tax on your earnings just like you pay taxes on any of your other earnings.
Now, if you're done griping on how the government took so much of your "hard earned (won) money", just understand that Wall Street bankers and CEOs only have to pay 15% on their "earnings" which equals the effort of walking to their mailbox and opening their bank statement.
Think it over.
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bvrbill

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Eugene
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Message Posted: Apr 25, 2012 12:17:52 AM
Up and down. But over time prices will keep rising.
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tedjm1

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New York
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Message Posted: Apr 25, 2012 12:17:42 AM
A very quick respite to immediately start climbing.
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crreed1

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West Virginia
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Message Posted: Apr 25, 2012 12:17:05 AM
up and down
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Toppers

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Atlanta
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Message Posted: Apr 25, 2012 12:14:34 AM
Top 'em off...
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bowler360

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Illinois
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Message Posted: Apr 25, 2012 12:14:17 AM
Get, while the gettin's good.
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carloco75

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Richmond
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Message Posted: Apr 25, 2012 12:13:12 AM
Oh my...I am...NOT SHOCKED..!
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regout

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Quebec
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Message Posted: Apr 25, 2012 12:12:47 AM
Anything....
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Alfied

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Riverside
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Message Posted: Apr 25, 2012 12:12:47 AM
Up and down, up and down, makes the world go around.
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yakstar

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Montreal
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Message Posted: Apr 25, 2012 12:12:07 AM
put some preparation H on your face!
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mpg611

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Cleveland
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Message Posted: Apr 25, 2012 12:11:29 AM
Yeah I had the feeling the falling gas prices was temporary. Color me shocked.
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trinda1

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Fort Worth
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Message Posted: Apr 25, 2012 12:10:30 AM
Thank God for the relief.
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Zonk

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Michigan
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Message Posted: Apr 25, 2012 12:10:09 AM
Gas prices will go like the roller coaster....up and down..
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rap12MA

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Boston
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Message Posted: Apr 25, 2012 12:09:53 AM
If weather factors affect the world supply of oil why do we have such high gas and heating oil prices when we had one of the mildest winters on record? Doesn't make sense to me.So called experts use weather factors as a reason to increase not decrease prices.
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Aviator_Rob

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New York
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Message Posted: Apr 25, 2012 12:08:32 AM
So, let me get this straight, altima2008. Obama is driving up gas prices on purpose during an election year? Why, exactly? Is it because all Americans everywhere just LOVE high gas prices and will propel him to a landslide election in November?
REALLY?!?
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snappytom2

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Corpus Christi
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Message Posted: Apr 25, 2012 12:08:28 AM
Up, down, up, down, up, down,..........just like a seesaw.
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WebGabe

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Pennsylvania
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Message Posted: Apr 25, 2012 12:07:47 AM
We'll see.
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letterchunker

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Texas
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Message Posted: Apr 25, 2012 12:07:38 AM
Keep threatening the speculators and maybe it will continue to drop.
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TheSicilian

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Message Posted: Apr 25, 2012 12:07:27 AM
please continue to drop
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FlyNFool

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South Carolina
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Message Posted: Apr 25, 2012 12:05:10 AM
We shall soon see.
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emptypockets2008

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Michigan
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Message Posted: Apr 25, 2012 12:04:28 AM
OK, will see.
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Aviator_Rob

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Message Posted: Apr 25, 2012 12:03:45 AM
Totally agree with you about China, bigreddwg. China, India, and Brazil are becoming world-class oil consumers as their economies have grown. That's why we have to do everything we can to reduce our need for oil imports and the best way to do that in the near term is through efficiency.
Fuel prices are like a tax on our economy, they act like a drag on growth. Unfortunately, nobody has invented a perpetual motion machine that requires zero energy to run. Therefore, the best we can ask for is to get the most amount of work out of the fuel we need. That's fuel efficiency.
Anyone notice how new cars now get much better mileage since fuel prices went up? It's really kinda surprising. It's almost like all the automakers made some award winning breakthroughs in engine design, all at the same time. Of course, that's not what happened. It's just that the automakers started focusing on fuel economy because customers started demanding better; that and the fact that the government mandated higher fuel economy standards. All of a sudden the automakers found a way to make it all work.
Efficiency, everybody. That's how we compete with the rest of the world.
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1178richmond

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New Jersey
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Message Posted: Apr 25, 2012 12:03:24 AM
ok
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Blue_Cruzer

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Lexington
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Message Posted: Apr 25, 2012 12:02:21 AM
Sounds like this summer's pricing will be a roller coaster ride.
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JamesCalvin

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Lancaster
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Message Posted: Apr 25, 2012 12:01:54 AM
Glad others realize!
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FrankTA2

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New York
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Message Posted: Apr 25, 2012 12:01:47 AM
I still have yet to see any prices drop in Staten Island, NY, where I live. In NJ across the bridge, they have dropped.
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bikerchicklette

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Washington
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Message Posted: Apr 24, 2012 11:58:43 PM
interesting
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Tanner_1

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Message Posted: Apr 24, 2012 11:58:32 PM
We can probably expect them to go up for the summer vacation season. If they do we will stay at home. A staycation this year!
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Tucker1961

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Seattle
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Message Posted: Apr 24, 2012 11:57:35 PM
yep aviator rob
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Aviator_Rob

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Message Posted: Apr 24, 2012 11:53:38 PM
A little clarification, danreino. There is no direct connection between crude oil prices and fuel prices. Cars don't run on crude oil. It has to be refined first and that's one of the places where Big Oil is famous for manipulating the market.
It's always amazing to see so many refineries going off-line for "routine maintenance" at the same time. Great way to spike fuel prices whenever Big Oil needs a little more profit margin. And let's not forget how many oil refineries are on the verge of closure, even though the number of refineries in this country is at an all-time low. Big Oil likes fewer but larger refineries so that they're easier to "coordinate" (control). Fewer competitors means less chance for one of them going against their market strategy.
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bigreddwg

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Message Posted: Apr 24, 2012 11:51:39 PM
TAKE THE RELIEF WHILE YOU CAN - FILL UP YOOUR TANKS ASAP AS THE PRICES WILL GO BACK UP IN MID-LATE MAY FOR THE SUMMER DRIVING SEASON, OH WELL!! AVIATOR ROB, YOU GOT SOME REAL GOOD POINTS, SO KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK, HOWEVER I MUST POINT OPUT THAT AS GAS CONSUMPTION DROPS IN THE US, IT IS GOING UP IN CHINA AND INDIA WHERE THOSE 2.2 BILLION PEOPLE ARE DRIVING CARS NOW RATHER THAN RIDING BIKES!! THAT'S OUR REAL FEAR!!
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onegiraffeAL

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Alabama
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Message Posted: Apr 24, 2012 11:51:13 PM
ok
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Blackice

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Twin Cities
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Message Posted: Apr 24, 2012 11:49:06 PM
I bought gas 3 weeks ago at the same price I can buy gas today $3.69. I missed the peak 2 weeks ago at $3.89.
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LCSTEELERBOB

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Gary
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Message Posted: Apr 24, 2012 11:48:02 PM
they are not dropping by much in N W INDIANA
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