drpepperTX
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Message Posted: May 2, 2012 3:39:00 PM
Wow, nobody here to defend Nancy Pelosi?
Com, you guys remember Nancy, don't ya'?
Good old Nancy 'we have to pass the bill (Obamacare) to find out what's in it' Pelosi. :=)
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Gnusman53
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Message Posted: May 2, 2012 3:26:28 PM
Sorry soda.... you seem to prove the "gang who couldn't shoot straight" are all from Texas....
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drpepperTX
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Message Posted: May 1, 2012 12:08:54 AM
Gandalfthegrey1's observant statement also brings to mind one of Nancy Pelosi's many, many lies. This one from January '06.
"The President claims he has created a strong economy, but working Americans are telling a different story. They feel the American dream slipping further from their grasp and they know the reality is that this economy is not delivering for middle-class families.”
This came after the Gross Domestic Product exceeded three percent growth for all of 2005, and had grown for sixteen straight quarters. U.S. businesses had created over two million new jobs that year. Hourly wage rates increased over three percent in 2005 to an average of over $16 an hour. The unemployment rate stood at a historically low rate of five percent. The Dow Jones Industrial Average surpassed 11,000 that week for the first time since the 2001 terrorist attacks.
In the 2006 elections Pelosi, Reid and the liberals took control of the House and Senate and just look what happened.
[Edited by: drpepperTX at 5/1/2012 12:10:58 AM EST]
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Gnusman53
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Message Posted: Apr 30, 2012 10:04:17 PM
Poor Gandalf.....everyone knows what they say about Texans..... especially after Enron destroyed California's economy and Bush destroyed America's economy.....
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Gnusman53
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Message Posted: Apr 30, 2012 9:42:46 PM
BTW soda, the why of your Reid budget claim..... GOP fibibusters (the new name for the lying GOPsters).
Remember those little things?????? AND the record amount of filibusters by the GOP!!
As to this and last year, it seems you must want the Ryan budget passed --- and its tax hikes on most Americans to pay for more giveaways to the rich and greedy...
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Gnusman53
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Message Posted: Apr 30, 2012 9:37:13 PM
poor soda... wrong again.... in so many ways...
Lets see, 1933....Roosevelt began the tough slog to get us out of the GOP-created Great Depression.......
And he succeeded.
And after he won WWII, the GOP took over congress and became ALMOST as bad as the current GOP congress.....
That enabled Truman to come from behind and wipe out the anti-american GOP plans to take over everything...
Slowly, the common sense GOP took over with Eisenhower and divested itself of most of the loons --- except for nutballs like McCarthy.
In fact, its best heyday in Congress was when the GOP moderates and liberals voted with democrats for Voting Rights and Civil Rights acts....
But that was a high point that the new GOP will never reach. In fact, the new GOP has been working for decades to reverse those acts -- by hook or by crook.
Under that "social engineering" period (as soda calls it), the old were not starved, the infirm were not left to die, and America started to build a viable middle class.......
The GOP has been working for decades to stop that progress...and destroy the middle class....
..And they nearly have succeeded. The middle class is on life support because of the GOP.
...and another dose of GOP toxicity will definitely flatline it.
For America to survive.. the toxic GOP needs to be purged from government until they learn the lesson they are there to make the government work -- not to completely kill it. Maybe another 40-year time-out would be good for them.......
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drpepperTX
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Message Posted: Apr 30, 2012 9:23:54 AM
leemun, "It will not get past Democrat obstructionists..."
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You're right, when is the last time ol' Harry, "I'm Mormon but thats OK cuz I'm liberal", Reid managed to pass a budget in the Senate???
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drpepperTX
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Message Posted: Apr 30, 2012 9:19:39 AM
Northeast2, "If the "liberals took control," it was because they had a majority of seats in the House. If they had a majority of seats in the House, it was because they won more districts than did the Republicans.
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What do you mean by "IF"??? Liberals DID take control.
Also it is very interesting to note that since 1933, when this country was beginning to see the social engineering and planning of the 'progressive' agenda, we have seen Democrat control of the Senate for 69 of the 89 years and Democrat control in the House of Reps for 65 of those 89 years.
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gandalfthegrey1
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Message Posted: Apr 30, 2012 7:39:26 AM
Ah Californians - what a group. Pelosi did more damage in her thankfully short tenure than all the others put together,but we all know what EVERYONE says about California. It's certainly evident here. When obummer goes, Pelosi and Reid need to go with him.
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Gnusman53
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Message Posted: Apr 30, 2012 4:17:45 AM
By the way Northeast, if they ever try to bring up the California problems.... you can tell them the same thing.... California has had republican governors for a majority of the last 40 years......
And Ken Lay was not a democrat when he decided to Enron California for more than $37 billion in a fraudulent power scam -- he was one of the elite Texas republicans -- so much so that he was part of the W transition team.....
Facts ... use them carefully Northeast..... facts tend to blow the minds of some posters here.... and that could be very messy (grin).
[Edited by: Gnusman53 at 4/30/2012 4:21:24 AM EST]
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Gnusman53
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Message Posted: Apr 30, 2012 4:08:52 AM
Northeast... well said.... but the whiners will be throwing a tantrum shortly.... they do any time you give them facts.
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Gnusman53
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Message Posted: Apr 30, 2012 4:07:00 AM
Only comediennes are Leemun and friends...
Obstructionists?????? Try the GOP setting records for filibustering.
So much short term memory loss and dementia on line, it is sad.....
GOP even promised that they were more interested in getting back into power than trying to help America recover from the mess that party created when it was in power...
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leemun
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Message Posted: Apr 30, 2012 3:59:37 AM
It will not get past Democrat obstructionists, including the Comedian-In-Chief.
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SBlouch
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Message Posted: Apr 30, 2012 1:41:15 AM
Will not get to the Senate as it will never get passed on to the Senate by Reed.
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MN1
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Message Posted: Apr 30, 2012 1:14:05 AM
Okay
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northeast2
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Message Posted: Apr 30, 2012 12:57:22 AM
"...ever since Pelosi and Reid and the liberals took control in '2006 this country has been in a downward spiral..."
John Boehner, a Republican, has been the Speaker of the House since January, 3, 2011. Rep. Pelosi, a Democrat, was the Speaker for four years from January 4, 2007 until January 3, 2011.
If the "liberals took control," it was because they had a majority of seats in the House. If they had a majority of seats in the House, it was because they won more districts than did the Republicans.
Between January 1995 and January 2007, the House had a Republican speaker. From 1995 through 2012, then, a period of seventeen years, the Democrats led the House of Representatives for only four years. Barring some cataclysm, Mr. Boehner will be the Speaker through the remainder of his term, to January 2013. That will give Republicans control of the House for 14 of the last 18 years.
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kkimes
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Message Posted: Apr 30, 2012 12:55:03 AM
Just say NO, NO, NO!
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TableTalk
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Message Posted: Apr 29, 2012 11:55:02 PM
threats aren't threats unless one follows through.
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drpepperTX
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Message Posted: Apr 29, 2012 11:23:40 PM
Meowmy, your dead right, ever since Pelosi and Reid and the liberals took control in '2006 this country has been in a downward spiral and exacerbated by Obama.
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Gnusman53
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Message Posted: Apr 29, 2012 10:04:32 PM
seems meow is a little mixed up.....he liked the '08 crash so much....he wants to do it again...
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Gnusman53
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Message Posted: Apr 29, 2012 10:01:18 PM
seems McSoda has some problems with his fact-free fantasies.
Nebraska put the stop on the pipeline.....and the state has a republican governor and state legislature.
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Meowmy
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Message Posted: Apr 29, 2012 8:28:46 PM
We REALLY need to get Obama out before he destroys this country any further.
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rbrk02
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Message Posted: Apr 29, 2012 8:14:31 PM
playtimeCLE is right. It is just a matter of time before it is built.
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drpepperTX
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Message Posted: Apr 29, 2012 8:07:12 PM
Thanks KAR, I must assume that ol' gnu is throwing around hopium addled tripe again! LOL.
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SammyAdams
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Message Posted: Apr 29, 2012 7:33:21 PM
The portion of paragraph 2 (In my post below) should be corrected from:
"They just want more than the 2 year extension that the conservative wing of Republicans have been willing to give thus far."
to:
"They just want more than the 2 MONTH extension that the conservative wing of Republicans have been willing to give thus far."
And add anywhere in this post:
"It is my firm belief and conviction that House Speaker, John Boehner, is the Benedict Arnold of our time." He is the consummate neoconservative of our time and is serving the Liberal Democrats more. (I would love to dialog this point with anyone. SA)
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MidNJ
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Message Posted: Apr 29, 2012 7:24:06 PM
Politics at it's best (or worst)!
[Edited by: MidNJ at 4/29/2012 7:24:49 PM EST]
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SammyAdams
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Message Posted: Apr 29, 2012 7:20:06 PM
Whether or not either the crude oil or refined products ever stays here in the U.S. is of smaller significance. The global DEMAND by both China and India is a FACT and the WORLD PRICE will be determined by said demand. So increasing the world SUPPLY (Via the XL pipeline) or by any other means will keep the price in balance. Anything that we can do to create energy from the myriad sources (Coal, oil, natural gas, nuclear, etc) will also help free America from this bondage to OPEC.
But the shame involved in this current Keystone XL bill is twofold and the BO/Boehner axis is what should tip you gas buddies off to this whole sneaky scheme. House Speaker John Boehner is made to look like a hero for attaching this pipeline mandate to a popular Transportation SPENDING bill which (Even if BO vetos it) might just pass and is what the Democrats and this administration truly WANT. They just want more than the 2 year extension that the conservative wing of Republicans have been willing to give thus far. So the victory for them is that they will achieve a multi- year extension of this disastrous SPENDING bill.
Nancy Pelosi could never have accomplished what John Boehner has done. And getting Harry Reid to come up with a deal in conference for the Senate to approve, will just make those Democratic Senators a little more safe in November 2012. It's the same tactic that Brer Rabbit used when he pleaded to NOT throw him into the brier patch (What he wanted all along). More than likely, we would have gotten the Keystone XL anyhow, but instead have helped BO and the Democrats immeasurably.
Staying the course by reducing SPENDING would have been the best way for true conservatives to go, but John Boehner helped snatch defeat from the jaws of victory for US.
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drpepperTX
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Message Posted: Apr 29, 2012 7:11:53 PM
Van Halen you are correct. It is the Dems that are obstructing this. They have put forth the lies about exports, threats to the aquifers etc.
It would appear they twisted the fact that it is an export pipeline (from Canada to the US) and fed the good folks in the US the BS line that export meant overseas. Sure SOME, not all, will be refined and exported but that is an overall positive for jobs and the economy.
Ever wonder why they really want to stop the pipeline??? Could it be they are afraid of the truth that overall the pipeline carrying Canadian AND US oil will put pressure on the price differential of Brent to WTI to lessen, leading to an overall decrease in US fuel prices???
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Gnusman53
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Message Posted: Apr 29, 2012 6:57:42 PM
Again, soda missed the point.... there was no attempt to meet with a compromise....
It would have been easy. Make arrangements that the US would have first rights on a percentage of the product coming through the pipeline.
YET the GOP SAID NO. NADA. NIL. ZIP.
And the fact that soda said 25 percent would be from the US would have been a simple point to agree on.... but the GOP said no.
The fact that the cleanup and safety factor has not been addressed shows how flawed the plan for the pipeline is.
And please note that Nebraska has not approved the route yet. So the GOP wants something preapproved, sight unseen.
It could have been routed through hospitals and day care centers --- it would not have mattered to the GOP. They have shown that. Sadly.
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Message Posted: Apr 29, 2012 6:48:45 PM
Thanks Gnusman53 --
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Gnusman53
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Message Posted: Apr 29, 2012 6:46:30 PM
If they were really interested in it for the right reasons, they would have pushed long ago to do it right -- which TransCanada did not.
They would have had TransCanada prove that it could handle spills with emergency response teams and methods that would quickly clean up ALL spills.
The fact that seems to not be important at all to the GOP is sadly telling.... in a very toxic way...
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drpepperTX
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Message Posted: Apr 29, 2012 6:46:05 PM
One also must consider the FACT that the Keystone XL would carry Bakken crude from North Dakota and Montana, 25% of the oil carried will be from the US.
Strict US export rules will prevent that oil from export as well.
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Gnusman53
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Message Posted: Apr 29, 2012 6:41:29 PM
Actually, the bill shows the GOP isn't interested in helping the american people at all. They are only interested in it for politics and to play a game with.
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Gnusman53
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Message Posted: Apr 29, 2012 6:34:31 PM
soda doc still misses the point.
The Gulf Coast is a warm weather port with tax free zones to access the international marketplace....
What guidelines are there to use the fuel supply from the pipeline to improve the energy situation in the United States. None.
Did the GOP even meet the Dems in the middle when the House minority said they would vote for the pipeline -- if there was an export ban? No.
That move showed that the GOP was concerned about the oil profits and not helping the average americans with the cost of energy.
That also shows that the costs will increase for Americans....
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Gnusman53
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Message Posted: Apr 29, 2012 6:25:32 PM
Van Halen needs to do a little research. So should the other posters who seem to not care about anything but profits.
Check out what has happened with the Enbridge pipeline that spilled into the Kalamazoo.
It happened about two years ago. They said it would take about a month to clean up.
It still hasn't.
They had to move people away from the river because of the spill.
If TransCanada says that it can clean up the tar sands spills when they happen.... they should prove it.
Demonstrate it in the real world, not the Baloney world of GOP politics...
Until they show it can be done and that they have a team instantly on call to respond to ALL spills on the pipeline.... it should not even be approved at the state level.
Let alone the national level.
Any other decision is delusional.
[Edited by: Gnusman53 at 4/29/2012 6:27:07 PM EST]
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Gnusman53
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Message Posted: Apr 29, 2012 6:15:08 PM
Wrong as usual Van Halen....
Has the route been approved yet by Nebraska ???? NO!
Until it does, then what business it it doing in front of Congress and in a transportation bill -- other that stupidity.... and pure politics.
In order for the pipeline to be built, it needs to get approval of all the states it passes through. The State Department's big mistake was letting the TransCanada hacks make up an incomplete EIR.
ONCE it passes through all the state hoops, then it moves to the national level for getting an okay...
The biggest question there especially on the national level -- especially post BP -- is what measures the TransCanada firm has done to show AND prove it A) can prevent spills and B) can clean them up quickly when and if they do have them.
IF THEY CAN'T then the pipeline should be D.O.A. UNTIL THEY DO.
Any other decision is not only stupid and negligent -- but downright criminal.
And that doesn't cover the fact the pipeline will not be lowering fuel prices for Americans as it is set up.
If Van Halen and others were being truthful about people blocking the pipeline and the fact that American needs lower fuel prices --- then he would have supported the Dems bill to prohibit or control exports.......that alone would have helped to lower prices....
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drpepperTX
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Message Posted: Apr 29, 2012 6:03:56 PM
" Property owners whose land will be taken by eminent domain won't be. And USA consumers won't be happy either because the Canadian company that owns the oil will sell on the open market. Which means it's going to India and China."
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More of the same ignorance still floats around I see.
Truly clueless as to the eminent domain process.
And believing that ALL the oil will be exported is just more propaganda that folks have fallen for.
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Van_Halen
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Message Posted: Apr 29, 2012 5:50:02 PM
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Go KEYSTONE! I believe it is the Dumbocrats that are the obstructionist!
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Rehorsehay
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Message Posted: Apr 29, 2012 5:36:09 PM
This story is getting old. There is already a pipeline. President Obama approved the last part of it that connects it to the gulf coast. They want to build a portion northern. Which is redunant. Story and map at CNN money.
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playtimeCLE
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Message Posted: Apr 29, 2012 5:22:09 PM
Its only a matter of time before they build the pipeline.
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race2IT
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Message Posted: Apr 29, 2012 5:18:30 PM
Whatever.
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APlus
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Message Posted: Apr 29, 2012 4:33:28 PM
Good
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js0743
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Message Posted: Apr 29, 2012 4:21:42 PM
Whatever. Its always something.
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Message Posted: Apr 29, 2012 4:00:58 PM
We already have a Glut of Gas & Oil and we're Exporting it!
The price won't come down because it's sold on the world market.
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johntxx
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Message Posted: Apr 29, 2012 4:00:00 PM
If it passes in the senate and he vetoes it, he's out for sure. Go ahead, make my day.
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Message Posted: Apr 29, 2012 3:54:21 PM
good
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Message Posted: Apr 29, 2012 3:12:02 PM
Political puppets know what they have been told to do.
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Message Posted: Apr 29, 2012 2:53:57 PM
Keep at it boys, maybe something will finally stick. Come NOV throw the BUM and his elitist rascals out on their ear.
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Rich1430
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Message Posted: Apr 29, 2012 2:38:17 PM
It may or may not get passed in the Senate but will be vetoed by The President who has threatened to do so. Thank You for screwing things up in America for your constituency Mr. President and Congress. We will be sure to vote a large number of you out of office in November.
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inchgallo
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Message Posted: Apr 29, 2012 2:19:29 PM
Seems to take so long to make a decision
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