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Oil boom too much for pipelines

UPI.com -- There won't be enough pipeline capacity to handle North American oil even if the planned Keystone XL pipeline gets built, an analysis says.

Research broker ITG says oil production from Western Canada could double its current rate and reach 5.7 million barrels per day by 2025. It adds that around 600,000 bpd would need to move by rail in the short-term because of the lack of pipeline capacity. That's the scenario even if new pipelines come on stream.

"Pipeline capacity in the Western Canada, U.S. Rockies and U.S. Bakken production areas will not keep pace with supply growth over the next four years, requiring incremental rail shipment volumes of 600,000 bpd even if all planned pipeline projects, such as Keystone XL and Northern Gateway, proceed," the report reads.


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Submitted Mar 28, 2013 By: NOTSOGRN
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rjr54
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Message Posted: Apr 2, 2013 12:16:58 AM

Ya, I know it is crazy. Eastern Canada and Western Canada have never been on the same page with respect to energy.

In addition to oil there is electricity. Ontario doesn't buy electricity from Manitoba. So we sell it to northern central states. About a year ago we signed a deal to provide 2 billion dollars of power to Wisconsin.

Oh well I suppose it make sense in some politicians mind. :-)
rjhenn
Champion Author Des Moines

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Message Posted: Mar 29, 2013 6:23:23 PM

So you sell your oil at one end, while at the other you're paying a premium price for oil.
rjr54
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Message Posted: Mar 29, 2013 5:01:09 PM

Canada does have to sell our oil to the USA.

I think the Northern Gateway pipeline is a better alternative. That way Canada can ship the oil to China instead. The advantage is we then receive world prices for the oil, instead of the discounted price the USA is paying.

rjhenn
Champion Author Des Moines

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Message Posted: Mar 29, 2013 4:08:14 PM

So don't send it to the Gulf, where it's just going for export.

Build refineries nearer the oil fields, or nearer where we need the fuel.

Build a pipeline from the Canadian oil fields to the east coast, so refineries there aren't so dependent on expensive foreign oil.

At least try to do something that makes sense!
gravityhurts
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Message Posted: Mar 29, 2013 6:46:54 AM

Awesome.
tomok
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Message Posted: Mar 29, 2013 2:56:43 AM

Oil boom too much for pipelines, transported by rail tanker cars full speed ahead! Transporting crude oil by pipeline is the most efficient way to move it to the gulf coast but railroad tanker cars and truck tankers will have to do for now. There is just to much crude oil bottled up to be transported for now!
Fuel prices at the pump will Not be cheaper with crude oil destinated for the gulf coast refineries..... The gulf coast refineries will produce fuel to be exported to the world market for higher profits.
More Refineries are Not the answer, Stop exporting fuel is!
Take care of the domestic fuel market first and above all else before exporting and selling our oil and/or fuel!
Drive vehicles with high MPG, are very safe, reliable, have a ‘reasonable’ cost and a good ‘value’ for the money.
The price of fuel at the pump is too high!
Doomsday64
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Message Posted: Mar 29, 2013 12:30:24 AM

Always something
crreed1
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Message Posted: Mar 29, 2013 12:29:11 AM

the railroad can handle it
N5EXY
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Message Posted: Mar 29, 2013 12:20:52 AM

So that is what that noise was that went boom in the night.
boatfloyd
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Message Posted: Mar 29, 2013 12:19:32 AM

More Trains.
bvrbill
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Message Posted: Mar 29, 2013 12:19:07 AM

When big oil thinks they can make a profit, then the pipelines will be built.
Zonk
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Message Posted: Mar 29, 2013 12:18:27 AM

I am tired of reading about pipelines.
tedjm1
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Message Posted: Mar 29, 2013 12:18:11 AM

Money...... Who gets what cut?
bikechuck
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Message Posted: Mar 29, 2013 12:17:49 AM

Boon for the railroads.
veemotors
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Message Posted: Mar 29, 2013 12:14:43 AM

what a pain hearing about this
SparkieMi
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Message Posted: Mar 29, 2013 12:13:23 AM

Very good post by wbpprint!!! But build it safely...
probedude2
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Message Posted: Mar 29, 2013 12:13:05 AM

just as it was yesterday
mrreferee
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Message Posted: Mar 29, 2013 12:11:59 AM

build it and they will use it...
ssect8
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Message Posted: Mar 29, 2013 12:10:54 AM

Just build the pipelines and be done with them.
obimerrill
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Message Posted: Mar 29, 2013 12:10:12 AM

Build more pipelines...just have to get it past the Obama administration!
JasTheAce
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Message Posted: Mar 29, 2013 12:09:30 AM

please
wbpprint
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Message Posted: Mar 29, 2013 12:07:39 AM

the pipeline would be a start, at least more oil coming to the states from other than the middle east, Venezuala, or Mexico. Maybe when building the pipeline they can tandem an extra pipe or 2 several feet apart so as to not cause weakening of the land and then potentially deliver 2-3 times as much oil with little extra cost (Just materials and a minimal amount of labor), being done at the same time.
BALRSTATUS
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Message Posted: Mar 29, 2013 12:06:59 AM

they aren't maintaining the existing pipelines
CiVX
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Message Posted: Mar 29, 2013 12:06:11 AM

All that oil movn round may just go boom. We should drive electrics.
Rooster922
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Message Posted: Mar 29, 2013 12:04:36 AM

Yep
WhiteTreeIndian
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Message Posted: Mar 29, 2013 12:04:33 AM

Maybe increase velocity
cheaper0ON
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Message Posted: Mar 29, 2013 12:01:31 AM

Old article.
gta_guy
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Message Posted: Mar 28, 2013 11:58:18 PM

Interesting problem....
SavALot
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Message Posted: Mar 28, 2013 11:57:50 PM

pressure busts pipes!
waynemustang
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Message Posted: Mar 28, 2013 11:54:08 PM

Build more pipelines and refineries.
mabrams184
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Message Posted: Mar 28, 2013 11:51:59 PM

Short sighted thinking.
EVBuddy
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Message Posted: Mar 28, 2013 11:49:22 PM

According to who?
mia3bxs
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Message Posted: Mar 28, 2013 11:48:04 PM

more pipelines may solve the problem.
Shakleelady31
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Message Posted: Mar 28, 2013 11:47:56 PM

Yikes!
suzmar
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Message Posted: Mar 28, 2013 11:47:26 PM

Well build more!
mstearno
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Message Posted: Mar 28, 2013 11:46:56 PM

I predict an attack any second now
mstearno
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Message Posted: Mar 28, 2013 11:46:25 PM

aviator rob is right

No, @John747. I'm just here to question the assumptions that some members of the forum make. A forum is supposed to be a place to exchange actual ideas, instead of just getting up on your soapbox.

he' just here to question assumptions
that's what he does
HE NEVER has facts just a constant attack on others ideas
ldiggy
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Message Posted: Mar 28, 2013 11:41:06 PM

It's always something.
Aviator_Rob
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Message Posted: Mar 28, 2013 11:37:51 PM

Amen to that, @TXryder.
Aviator_Rob
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Message Posted: Mar 28, 2013 11:36:45 PM

How are they gonna get it to China without a pipeline, @BigKart? By wheelbarrow? Tar sands are the very last type of petroleum we should be using. That stuff is basically like trying to get gasoline out of asphalt.

Just call it what it really is... Runny coal.
taz2448
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Message Posted: Mar 28, 2013 11:36:37 PM

they are building a new refinery in N.D but it's only going to be used for the state of N.D where the oil is at ! That is not going to help the rest of the states ! The Oil Corp.s don't want to spend their profits to build new refineries ! They just want keep what they have so when it shut down time they shut all of them the same time ! with all of them down they raise the price at the pumps so you & I pay more at the pumps !! Just like some oil Corp are selling there refineries !
TXryder
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Message Posted: Mar 28, 2013 11:35:02 PM

We do not need more pipelines. Oil companies are just competing with each other to be the first to export the oil into global markets to pocket the profits. No advantage for domestic consumption and pricing. Screw the oil companies and those that are ruining the country so they can get rich of their little royalties.

[Edited by: TXryder at 3/28/2013 11:38:31 PM EST]
BigKart
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Message Posted: Mar 28, 2013 11:33:48 PM

If we don't build the pipeline, do you think the oil will stay in the ground in Canada? Me neither! It will get extracted and sent to China where it will create just as much (or more) greenhouse gasses. It's just a matter of where it will be refined and used, not whether it will be refined and used.
rf6480
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Message Posted: Mar 28, 2013 11:33:12 PM

conflicting stories I thought Nat gas was the next great thing
Batdan
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Message Posted: Mar 28, 2013 11:29:50 PM

To splitrman,
From the short article,
"The American Association of Railroads reports petroleum product delivery by rail increased 58.3 percent for the week ending March 16 year-on-year."
To Aviator_Rob,
Good points!
fenster66
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Message Posted: Mar 28, 2013 11:28:38 PM

its good to have a problem of plenty, rather than a problem of empty....
abcdMA
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Message Posted: Mar 28, 2013 11:24:22 PM

build keystone, even if it is only part of the total solution
clermont40miles
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Message Posted: Mar 28, 2013 11:23:38 PM

Mo' pipe. Need mo' pipe.
BREW9
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Message Posted: Mar 28, 2013 11:21:08 PM

ok
splitrman
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Message Posted: Mar 28, 2013 11:20:59 PM

Why not use rail to take up the extra?
billy44bo
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Message Posted: Mar 28, 2013 11:20:47 PM

Thanks barry
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