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Opec and IEA agree speculation bad

Dawn.com -- RIYADH: For a change, Opec and the IEA seem to concur on some of the major issues afflicting the energy world today. This is indeed a breath of fresh air, for the two are distinctly different in many senses. Their briefs are different. They represent two worlds, two interest groups and two schools of thought.

Opec has emphasized for quite some time that fundamentals – demand and supply – were no longer in full control of the oil markets, and that the world needed to act to curb speculation.

Markets need transparency, producers have been insisting for some time now. The point now seems to be getting across. The energy world today increasingly appreciates that wide scale speculation in oil markets poses tremendous risks.

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Submitted Jul 04, 2009 By: BurntOrange

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niceguytx Champion Author Houston Posts:8,941 Points:1,744,810 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 5:02:39 PM Ignore niceguytx Report Abuse Sounds like more regulation and transparency might help.
Tucker1961 Sophomore Author Seattle Posts:202 Points:21,125 Joined:Jun 2009	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 4:13:55 PM Ignore Tucker1961 Report Abuse Depends on who it is affecting positively or negatively
ruc2827 Veteran Author Illinois Posts:330 Points:283,970 Joined:May 2004	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 2:38:47 PM Ignore ruc2827 Report Abuse You think? http://www.stopoilspeculationnow.com. In response to previous post, there is nothing wrong with speculation and taking risks and profiting from it, however the problem is unlimited leverage and naked trading, allowing prices to be manipulated solely by trading and not underlying demand for the commodity. The regulation is simple and similar to other major trading markets. Oil has become the last market where cornering the market and market manipulation is still legal. [Edited by: ruc2827 at 7/4/2009 2:43:05 PM EST]
BurntOrange Champion Author Austin Posts:2,519 Points:613,840 Joined:Nov 2007	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 1:56:33 PM Ignore BurntOrange Report Abuse For those who love to bash OPEC and speculators, and paint them with the same brush--you clearly need some education. OPEC wants to keep oil at a price where alternatives will not be sought out. They realize that if oil goes too high, then alternatives become cost-effective, and oil will use lose energy-market share. Speculators in any commodity, are buying futures. Oil futures are typically priced for delivery about 6 weeks into the future. An oil future is a bet that the price will go up. Producers of commodities sell futures because it allows them to lock in a price, and not be concerned with market volatility. The commodities future market has been in place for decades. Although people who don't understand how they work demonize speculators as they fill up their SUVs, the reality is that speculators have little impact on prices, and even then, it's a short-term effect. In the end, the real commodity, whether it's oil, or pork bellies, or copper, must be delivered and paid for. The commodity price will align with its true market value. [Edited by: BurntOrange at 7/4/2009 1:57:09 PM EST]
matman01 Champion Author Detroit Posts:9,154 Points:1,009,420 Joined:May 2007	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 1:28:51 PM Ignore matman01 Report Abuse I agree...speculating is evil.
purvismike Champion Author Wisconsin Posts:1,495 Points:301,910 Joined:Feb 2008	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 1:25:20 PM Ignore purvismike Report Abuse Most people do not even know what Speculation means more less how it works!!!
papagreg Champion Author Sacramento Posts:1,527 Points:512,700 Joined:Jan 2008	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 1:12:54 PM Ignore papagreg Report Abuse What BS! OPEC said last December that they wanted oil to be around $70 a barrel. Do they think we are that stupid to think that they aren't at least helping change prices through the speculation? Do they think that we wouldn't suspect that they were involved in the speculation trading? Too bad for anyone whom was ignorant enough to not believe OPEC was involved.
jwalkerh Champion Author Louisiana Posts:2,092 Points:559,875 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 12:58:58 PM Ignore jwalkerh Report Abuse Finally, someone is seeing reality and using some common sense.
NavyEOD Champion Author Los Angeles Posts:5,134 Points:1,057,565 Joined:Jul 2007	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 12:58:29 PM Ignore NavyEOD Report Abuse I have always said this. Speculators are always driving the price up, thats there job.
Plebe2001 Champion Author Philadelphia Posts:2,251 Points:405,925 Joined:Jul 2008	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 12:54:11 PM Ignore Plebe2001 Report Abuse We do need to see if we can minimize the speculation, but the speculation does go both ways, that is up and also down. We have seen this over the last year. We need the system to get most commodity products to market at fair prices over time. Over time then system has worked good. We just need to try to find a way to minimize the extremes.
travelzonecente Champion Author Riverside Posts:1,829 Points:455,735 Joined:Jun 2008	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 12:54:07 PM Ignore travelzonecente Report Abuse Speculation is not the problem of the oil companies. World demand and regulations are.
pricechecker08 Champion Author Ohio Posts:4,087 Points:833,365 Joined:Jan 2008	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 12:51:42 PM Ignore pricechecker08 Report Abuse Do you think OPEC will learn?
foxups Champion Author Toledo Posts:3,252 Points:645,060 Joined:Feb 2004	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 12:47:38 PM Ignore foxups Report Abuse thats the way it should be
HawaiianGuy Champion Author Idaho Posts:4,581 Points:2,107,695 Joined:May 2003	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 12:46:37 PM Ignore HawaiianGuy Report Abuse I agree. Speculators are doing nothing but harm to the consumer and the economy. Just so a relatively few can reap quick, easy profits. Unconscionable.
Dennis783 Champion Author Wisconsin Posts:8,741 Points:1,744,865 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 12:46:17 PM Ignore Dennis783 Report Abuse they are just figuring out speculators are bad?
C4U Champion Author Salt Lake City Posts:4,255 Points:814,595 Joined:May 2008	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 12:39:49 PM Ignore C4U Report Abuse Conservation is the best thing we can do. We still need to implement a fast track to alternative fuels and energy to be come energy independent from foreign support, big oil companies and local utilities monopoly.
Wonderdaddie Champion Author Alabama Posts:1,125 Points:197,360 Joined:Apr 2008	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 12:39:13 PM Ignore Wonderdaddie Report Abuse We'll see.....
Star777 Rookie Author San Francisco Posts:3 Points:605 Joined:Jul 2009	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 12:36:24 PM Ignore Star777 Report Abuse I thought OPEC was in charge of supply. Supply and demand would would work out find - if it was with out interferance from the oil refiners and their buddies. Ever notice the price of gas falls before and election and then goes back up afterward? What's up with that?
humblepie Champion Author Toledo Posts:7,963 Points:1,392,240 Joined:Mar 2006	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 12:36:19 PM Ignore humblepie Report Abuse we sure didnt hear this when oil was over $147 did we ? now that its under $70 suddenly they agree? obamanomics pure and simple ( makes no sense ) [Edited by: humblepie at 7/4/2009 12:37:49 PM EST]
Beboper Champion Author Virginia Posts:3,752 Points:1,182,410 Joined:Oct 2005	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 12:35:43 PM Ignore Beboper Report Abuse that is right still conserve
repeater1 Champion Author Kansas Posts:3,431 Points:1,399,370 Joined:Oct 2005	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 12:35:39 PM Ignore repeater1 Report Abuse OPEC can't seem to make up their minds about the price of crude. Maybe they are trying to deflect some the the criticism they receive and send it to the speculators. They are both at fault for a lot of this mess.
finch2dancandy Rookie Author Georgia Posts:71 Points:10,760 Joined:Jul 2009	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 12:35:19 PM Ignore finch2dancandy Report Abuse Why are we made dependent on Opec countries when we have resources here in our own country.
icmfal Champion Author Raleigh Posts:4,170 Points:783,485 Joined:Apr 2008	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 12:31:59 PM Ignore icmfal Report Abuse DUH!!!! but we still need to conserve gas.
letmathe Champion Author Chicago Posts:9,997 Points:2,281,615 Joined:May 2001	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 12:29:22 PM Ignore letmathe Report Abuse I'm with esquared! Conserve as much as possible.
sgonza98 Champion Author San Antonio Posts:3,502 Points:556,405 Joined:Apr 2004	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 12:28:15 PM Ignore sgonza98 Report Abuse OPEC was trying to feed speculation for the past month. What gives?
sduyck Champion Author Oregon Posts:1,459 Points:124,965 Joined:Sep 2003	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 12:27:01 PM Ignore sduyck Report Abuse speculators thought gasoline and oil should be worth as much money as water i heard many times ...look what people pay for bottled water compared to gasoline the difference is we need water we can live without oil ...now everyone knows that fact
esquared Champion Author Oklahoma City Posts:3,922 Points:1,140,955 Joined:Jan 2006	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 12:24:59 PM Ignore esquared Report Abuse Conserve here, conserve now!
PathfinderSC Champion Author South Carolina Posts:4,544 Points:854,760 Joined:Mar 2008	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 12:24:22 PM Ignore PathfinderSC Report Abuse Gee you kidding me, you just found this out?
kidshare Champion Author Nevada Posts:1,901 Points:718,280 Joined:Sep 2006	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 12:21:09 PM Ignore kidshare Report Abuse Speculation is the single reason government is broke.
remay Champion Author Houston Posts:2,217 Points:1,152,940 Joined:May 2006	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 12:18:58 PM Ignore remay Report Abuse "...The energy world today increasingly appreciates that wide scale speculation in oil markets poses tremendous risks...." And who might do something about the traders and speculators to stop the artificial pricing?
Skyeja All-Star Author New Hampshire Posts:559 Points:458,525 Joined:Sep 2008	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 12:18:48 PM Ignore Skyeja Report Abuse Ya think?
truckguy115 All-Star Author Orange County Posts:855 Points:141,695 Joined:Apr 2008	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 12:16:03 PM Ignore truckguy115 Report Abuse really speculation bad. come on tell me something i don't know allready.
smoketown Champion Author Cincinnati Posts:2,880 Points:597,260 Joined:Feb 2008	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 12:14:59 PM Ignore smoketown Report Abuse THATS JUST A FRONT....
PaylessKY Champion Author Kentucky Posts:3,570 Points:661,355 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 12:07:03 PM Ignore PaylessKY Report Abuse Opec was probably behind the speculation to bring the price up. They just saw it wasn't working to their advantage.
vegaland Champion Author Houston Posts:2,403 Points:501,795 Joined:May 2006	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 12:06:01 PM Ignore vegaland Report Abuse With controls you have shortages. Without controls you have price fluctuations.
bluebird1 Champion Author Toronto Posts:10,698 Points:2,142,165 Joined:May 2004	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 12:05:10 PM Ignore bluebird1 Report Abuse Everyone but big Oil & speculators already was on board in this (except bought & paid for politicians as well).
gas_too_high Champion Author Columbus Posts:4,348 Points:990,400 Joined:Aug 2005	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 12:01:56 PM Ignore gas_too_high Report Abuse OPEC thinks speculation is bad -- for them. That's the biggest endorsement I've ever heard for the speculators.
JOHNNY95206 Champion Author Stockton Posts:2,015 Points:211,480 Joined:May 2008	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 11:57:58 AM Ignore JOHNNY95206 Report Abuse Speculators = Manipulators
Chazzy12 Champion Author Massachusetts Posts:2,093 Points:428,955 Joined:Dec 2008	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 11:57:23 AM Ignore Chazzy12 Report Abuse It would be best if OPEC were to go away.
dl72 Champion Author Los Angeles Posts:2,452 Points:450,685 Joined:May 2009	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 11:51:44 AM Ignore dl72 Report Abuse So now they are starting to realize the implacations, now what will they do about it.
phurburger Champion Author Atlanta Posts:2,555 Points:530,670 Joined:Oct 2005	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 11:51:29 AM Ignore phurburger Report Abuse What a bunch of bunk. 2 totally disparate organizations come to the same conclusion via totally different means. There is nothing in common here.
FPLREP Champion Author Virginia Posts:3,350 Points:1,495,955 Joined:Oct 2005	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 11:51:17 AM Ignore FPLREP Report Abuse OPEC loves speculation when it drives up prices like last summer. That is why they are in the financial dumpster they planned and bought like it would always stay there!
jorja13 All-Star Author British Columbia Posts:619 Points:105,810 Joined:Aug 2008	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 11:48:45 AM Ignore jorja13 Report Abuse The rest of the article seems to have disappeared. Seems like everyone agrees that the speculators are a problem except the speculators themselves and the governments that are raking in the gas tax.
arvo87 Champion Author New Mexico Posts:2,940 Points:584,615 Joined:Jul 2008	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 11:46:57 AM Ignore arvo87 Report Abuse wow, you think that there is manipulation in the speculators marketplace? DUH
Bigwaynef Champion Author South Carolina Posts:3,929 Points:1,117,995 Joined:Dec 2006	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 11:41:47 AM Ignore Bigwaynef Report Abuse Look out trash can or recycle bin, one of ya is about to get stuffed!
fuelconscious All-Star Author Los Angeles Posts:657 Points:233,960 Joined:Jan 2008	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 11:41:24 AM Ignore fuelconscious Report Abuse Lets stone both organizations to death.
NorthglennBill Champion Author Denver Posts:3,008 Points:572,780 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 11:39:30 AM Ignore NorthglennBill Report Abuse For once, OPEC agrees with my thinking.
hauler43 Champion Author Oakland Posts:4,804 Points:1,852,555 Joined:Sep 2003	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 11:39:10 AM Ignore hauler43 Report Abuse OK, so now we must pick our poison, OPEC or speculators.
Valricoslash Champion Author Tampa Posts:1,763 Points:391,320 Joined:Nov 2008	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 11:38:12 AM Ignore Valricoslash Report Abuse Its amazing how much money you can make transferring paper on a computer.
BartBuzz Champion Author Atlanta Posts:3,913 Points:805,035 Joined:Aug 2006	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 11:38:01 AM Ignore BartBuzz Report Abuse Why am I skeptical about this admission? I don't trust OPEC or IEA. Keep conserving.