honda0105

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Message Posted: Feb 14, 2012 6:14:22 AM
I've always been wary of TransCanada's heavy push. Glad to hear the my suspicions were right from the start.
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Martinman

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Message Posted: Feb 13, 2012 4:35:10 PM
There is a GB member, who posted very early in the discussion (his replies have since been bounced-off), he knew Mike Klink, and had no reason to believe that what Klink had written, was not true.
[Edited by: Martinman at 2/13/2012 4:36:32 PM EST]
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honda0105

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Message Posted: Feb 13, 2012 6:03:51 AM
maybe all those who clamor for "build it yesterday" will take some notes. Of course, there's always the "he did it b/c he wanted to retaliate against the company." Just funny how there's an attempt to fast track this pipeline and get it through under the big radar.
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KAR120CSII

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Message Posted: Feb 12, 2012 2:34:49 AM
Since the regulators and inspectors have been cut back these past 30 years it's left to the whistleblowers -- the American way.
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niceguytx

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Message Posted: Feb 11, 2012 10:52:52 AM
Not a good endorsement
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pbug101

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Message Posted: Feb 11, 2012 8:59:09 AM
ok
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tomok

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Message Posted: Feb 11, 2012 3:12:22 AM
Some say it’s bad to build the pipeline and risk the environment, others say it’s good for the sale of oil, more jobs and the more personal income it will provide. Big oil will sell fuel and natural gas on the world market for higher prices, there will be NO price reduction for the cost of fuel or natural gas IN the US. Barry will support natural gas and oil production for sale to help pay for his ‘spending gone wild’ addiction. The US ‘oil and natural gas resources’ belong to the citizens of this country and are to be used by those same citizens! Speculators, manipulators and the banks continue to unfairly and unjustly make the driving public pay higher prices at the pump for their benefit. Whatever the size or shape of the vehicle is, Produce and ‘Drive’ vehicles with high MPG, are very reliable, have a ‘reasonable’ cost and a good ‘value’ for the money. The price of fuel at the pump is too high! 12/22/2012!
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TWS658

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Message Posted: Feb 11, 2012 2:12:33 AM
Ok.
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rjhenn

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Message Posted: Feb 11, 2012 1:56:17 AM
PDQBlues - "This pipeline is such a potential disaster that even the citizens and property owners of the midwest are against it. They know that contaminated water means death."
That and the fact that sending Canadian crude to Texas will increase the cost in the Midwest and increase fuel prices here.
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badspots

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Message Posted: Feb 11, 2012 12:11:23 AM
Ok.
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OGW

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Message Posted: Feb 11, 2012 12:09:02 AM
Contractors often cut corners with any project and do not tell the company that hires them. It is money in their pockets. That is why government inspectors are suppose to do their job and report any problems. This does not mean that Trans Canada is at fault but those doing the inspections on the pipelines are responsible if they did not shut it down and order corrections.
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GoGoGoodyear

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Message Posted: Feb 11, 2012 12:09:02 AM
I've been for the construction of this third phase of the Keystone pipeline since the beginning, however the more I read and investigate on my own the more doubt I have as to the value of this project to the American public.
Regardless if we believe the whistle blower inspector or not, the company which will own and operate the pipeline appears to have a poor track record with other similar pipelines and this is something that cannot be glossed over or explained away. Pipeline leaks are not "normal" and a well operated pipeline doesn't spring leaks like that. Compare with any number of other pipelines that criss cross the U.S. and see if those have had as many problems, even in harsh conditions such as in Alaska. We do not need another BP or Exxon Valdez on our hands, especially since the responsible parties seem to never pay for the full value of the damages they cause and rely instead on the taxpayers to pick up part of the tab. We already pay too much for gas and oil, should we also pay for an oil company's safety lapses?
Then there is the fact that the oil which will flow through this pipeline will apparently not benefit the American public since all of it will be sold to other countries and simply flow through the U.S. on it's way to other places. The only benefit may be from some tax or fee imposed on the oil which will go to the government.
The claim of the pipeline creating more jobs is coming into question now as well since some of the materials used in past pipelines owned by this same company have come from foreign suppliers. Even if the quality of the materials is as good as American made, are they helping to create jobs when they buy materials from foreign sources while local factories layoff their workers?
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jdc17327

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Message Posted: Feb 11, 2012 12:06:13 AM
okay
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bcok

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Message Posted: Feb 11, 2012 12:03:32 AM
What happened to safety? Having been able to u reach this -already trouble. Keep it away from any human population.
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tampacrvdriver

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Message Posted: Feb 11, 2012 12:01:03 AM
This changes my mind about it.
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SparkieMi

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Message Posted: Feb 10, 2012 11:58:50 PM
Good post Martinman!!!
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DustyHorse

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Message Posted: Feb 10, 2012 11:58:27 PM
Interesting.
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njerald

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Message Posted: Feb 10, 2012 11:58:04 PM
What a crock!!!!
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Dodge_Me

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Message Posted: Feb 10, 2012 11:56:53 PM
Investigate anyway
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Wierbe

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Message Posted: Feb 10, 2012 11:56:19 PM
As usual, follow the money to find the problem.
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JesseJack52

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Message Posted: Feb 10, 2012 11:53:45 PM
Houston, we've got a Narc on board!
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tippybuddy

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Message Posted: Feb 10, 2012 11:50:08 PM
I agree with Carman ...
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tidalwave3

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Message Posted: Feb 10, 2012 11:47:00 PM
he said , she said ????
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Beaveronparade

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Message Posted: Feb 10, 2012 11:42:46 PM
Very interesting article. I'm all for the pipeline so I like to learn all I can about it.
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ysmc

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Message Posted: Feb 10, 2012 11:33:14 PM
propaganda
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feistyfella

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Message Posted: Feb 10, 2012 11:31:34 PM
Klinky business.
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gj35

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Message Posted: Feb 10, 2012 11:29:42 PM
With wind, solor, and electricity, why do we need oil?
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chuck sr

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Message Posted: Feb 10, 2012 11:27:00 PM
God Help Us!
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EVBuddy

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Message Posted: Feb 10, 2012 11:22:00 PM
It is so much easier not to have it.
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mstearno

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Message Posted: Feb 10, 2012 11:19:31 PM
no union workers maybe it would be built better..?
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FlogNut

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Message Posted: Feb 10, 2012 11:14:49 PM
With all of this "shoddy" construction just where are all the leaks?
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Holly123

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Message Posted: Feb 10, 2012 11:12:23 PM
It's unfortunate.
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bif65

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Message Posted: Feb 10, 2012 11:07:30 PM
ok
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craigsfrank

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Message Posted: Feb 10, 2012 11:06:29 PM
Let's see, this inspector a Democrat??? I'm thinking so....
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theschmuck

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Message Posted: Feb 10, 2012 11:04:54 PM
Good article 'martinman', stops and makes you think a bit doesn't it.
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Lukus

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Message Posted: Feb 10, 2012 11:04:32 PM
So he says but where are the other engineers.
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freerobert

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Message Posted: Feb 10, 2012 11:01:53 PM
They need to do it right the first time. Don't need substandard materinal for the pipeline.
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crowefamily1

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Message Posted: Feb 10, 2012 11:00:33 PM
so says the liberal media.
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billy44bo

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Message Posted: Feb 10, 2012 10:58:52 PM
With all the money that B P is paying for the junk in the gulf do you think this would had happen. This story reads like it came from nobama supporters.
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livedream

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Message Posted: Feb 10, 2012 10:56:04 PM
I agree with this comment from Lea from right after the article:
"Lea Matthews says: January 5, 2012 at 10:36 am
I recently read an article that says we are exporting more oil than we are importing. So all the talk about there being such a shortage that we have to accept this pipeline, or drill in Gulf coast or Alaska are pure bunk. If we kept the oil here instead of exporting it and combined that with higher demands for cars MGP regulations it sound like to me we would be okay. Oil is finite, it will run out sooner or later so why don’t we make steps now to replace it with green energy solutions..."
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ratones1

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Message Posted: Feb 10, 2012 10:53:42 PM
HUM...
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gumbyrex

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Message Posted: Feb 10, 2012 10:53:10 PM
Interesting article. But is this just "sour grapes"?
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carman11

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Message Posted: Feb 10, 2012 10:53:06 PM
GIVE ME A BRAKE!!!!!! I am going outside to see if the sky is falling!!
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humblepie

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Message Posted: Feb 10, 2012 10:48:28 PM
the liberal media gives disgruntled ex-employees a fancy name now. people trying to get even for being fired or passed over for someone else...
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Yankee829

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Message Posted: Feb 10, 2012 10:48:02 PM
That's what happens when you try to rush things without paying attention to details. Stuff happens.
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PDQBlues

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Message Posted: Feb 10, 2012 10:47:48 PM
This pipeline is such a potential disaster that even the citizens and property owners of the midwest are against it. They know that contaminated water means death.
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mrreferee

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Message Posted: Feb 10, 2012 10:47:45 PM
make the pipeline to our specs, trans Can will have to bite the bullett
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sillywagon

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Message Posted: Feb 10, 2012 10:41:35 PM
These accusations are disturbing. I just wish this story was from a more credible site.
Would you not be skeptical if the American Petroleum Institutes website said that tar sands oil had little pollution? No you would question the credibility of the site.
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Martinman

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Message Posted: Feb 10, 2012 10:41:31 PM
zaq001 from atlanta forgot to read before he posted...
"LOL....what a load of garbage. Ask him about the Environmental Impact Assessment, the Security Assessment, and the numerous state level impact studies. Not to mention the numerous studies that occur before the pipeline actually goes into use. This is a complete farce."
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Doh!
Personally, I think people should do their homework, before they engage in character assassinations.
Part of the Environmental Impact Statement analysis, requires a review of the potential for various mishaps over life of the pipeline, and their impacts. Part of that process includes a review of similar pipelines, as well as the company's previous operating history.
So with that in mind, guess what. The Keystone pipeline has a history!
The following information is taken directly from the Environmental Impact Statement (EIS) prepared for the Keystone XL pipeline, by Cardno Entrix of Australia. All reportable spills/leaks are included in this section, starting on page 3.13-11, Table 3.13.1-4. This EIS was compiled by a company hired by TransCanada, to "help assist" the State Department.
From the assessment of leaks along the U.S. portion of the Keystone pipeline that has been completed, here is the listing of reportable leaks/spills from this very same Keystone pipeline Mike Klink writes about, taken from the EIS report that was completed last year. During the first 12 months of operation, that segment of the Keystone pipeline within the U.S. had FOURTEEN (14) reportable spills at pump stations:
Keystone XL - Phase I (Canadian border to Steele City Nebraska, to Wood River Illinois, to Patoka Illinois)
21 May 10 – 5 gallons [Carpenter, SD](failure of a 1-1/2” below ground fitting connected to a mainline isolation valve)
Segment from Steele City to Wood River completed June 2010
23 Jun 10 - ~100 gallons [Howard, SD](leak occurred at PS site during maintenance from a small fitting attached to the sump pump)
10 Aug 10 - ~2 gallons [Freeman, SD](Failure of a 1” fitting attached to a pig trap receiver)
19 Aug 10 – 10 gallons [Hartington, NE](failure of a 1/2” above ground fitting.)
05 Jan 11 - <2 gallons [Andover, SD](leak occurred when a station pump seal bearing started seeping oil)
08 Jan 11 - <3 gallons [Doniphan County, KS](source of the leak was a seal (packing) on a 6” valve)
31 Jan 11 - <10 gallons [Turney, MO](source of the leak was a seal failure on Pump #2)
Keystone XL - Phase II (Steele City Nebraska, to Cushing Oklahoma)
completed February 2011
03 Feb 11 - <15 gallons [Cushing, OK](source of release was a temporary vent gas separator)
11 Feb 11 - <100 gallons [David City, NE](source of release was seal failure during maintenance activity on pump seal))
23 Feb 11 – 10 gallons [Udall, KS](source of the leak was a valve seal on a drain line of a pump suction line)
08 Mar 11 - <5 gallons [Brampton, ND](source of the leak was a pump unit bearing housing)
16 Mar 11 - 12 barrels [500+ gallons][Seneca, KS] (source of the leak was a pump seal failure)
07 May 11 – 500 barrels [21,000 gallons] [Brampton, ND](source of the leak was a 3/4" diameter pipe nipple failure)
Woo hoo! We have a “crowd pleaser” folks.
The NRC report states that 5 barrels were “sprayed off-site impacting neighboring properties [*plural*] to the south...”
29 May 11 - ~420 gallons [Doniphan County, KS] (source of the leak was a 1/2" nipple located on a pressure transmitter)
That was the last spill or leak reported at the time the EIS data were compiled.
A couple of disturbing trends emerged in reviewing these data.
1. ALL these spills occurred at - you guessed it - those very same pumping stations that Mike Klink blew the whistle on.
2. Over time, the spills have become larger.
3. Most of the larger spills were grossly under-reported, and then later “revised” by TransCanada when the spill was investigated.
4. One spill involved property outside of the pipeline easement, and several have required removal of contaminated soil/ground from the impacted areas.
5. The last two spills (21,000 gallons, 420 gallons) both occurred at pump stations that previously had spills (spills #6 & #14 at Doniphan County, KS; spills #11 & #13 at Brampton, ND). The 21,000 gallon spill at Brampton ND, occurred in less than 2 months after the first. The 420 gallon spill in Doniphan County KS, occurred 5 months after the first spill.
6. Witnesses of the 21,000 gallon leak, reported a “six-story geyser”
http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/metro/article_dae7b66e-e0c5-5677-9acd-0773efb0d8d1.html
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So, you tell me.
IS 14 spills in 12 months "acceptable" by any standard - on a pipeline that was [then] LESS THAN ONE YEAR OLD?
Furthermore, Gas Buddy member AuburnTim posted early this morning in this very article (reply now bumped off) that he personally knows Mike Klink who is also from Auburn Indiana, and has no reason to not believe what Mr. Klink has written.
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LegoVasavouchi

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Message Posted: Feb 10, 2012 10:40:19 PM
Fascinating.
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